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Westministers: Boris and May give us the Brexit Leeming Plan.

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RedToothBrush · 17/01/2017 15:17

Theresa May has made a speech.

It’s a wish list for hard core Brexiteers. It’s a large corporate executive’s wet dream for exploitation.

Even requests for a white paper as recommended by the Brexit Committee have been ignored. Thus meaning there is no chance for proper scrutiny. Plus whilst on the one hand parliament have been told they will have a vote on the end deal, this is merely slight of hand, with Davis stating that if parliament vote against this, then we will leave the EU without a deal in a chaotic exit. Thus making the vote an exercise with a gun to parliament's head.

Workers Rights and the Welfare State die with Brexit. Even the precious NHS. Especially the precious NHS once its been stole off to the highest American bidder.

May is being lobbied by her hard right and to save her next she listens only to them. She has no interest in listening to anyone else. The demographic and voting patterns favour her to head this direction. There is nothing to be gained for her personally by doing anything else.

She is already laughing her head off in glee at the collapse of the NI assembly. It plays right to her agenda.

Under the wheels of the bus go the JAMs, under go the disenfranchised who rarely vote but came out in force for the referendum, under go single mothers, under go the disabled, under go those with mental health concerns who struggle with already bureaucratic systems set up to ‘catch them out’, under go the EU immigrants especially those who have families here and may not have equal rights in future, under go British Citizens living abroad who might find themselves without healthcare or pensions, under go our Human Rights and any chance of challenging the state’s authority and interference in our every day lives, under go small business who will drown in red tape, under go Scotland and NI.

Yet this is ‘for the children’ or ‘the grandchildren’. Its spineless and cynical and offers nothing for those currently able to vote but under the age of 40. Won't you think of the children? Its fine if you are already retired and have a nice little pension isn't it?

The National Interest? This is a foreign concept. Probably an EU one.

The Baby Boomers are net beneficiaries of the welfare state. The young are unlikely to have a welfare state in a few years and are already net contributors. They have now been robbed of the choice over their future and in patronising tones effectively told they are irrelevant.

And of course Uncle Donald is a fan. You can almost see his vampire fangs reading to get his teeth into the UK and suck the life blood out of it.

It is a horror show.

Its all about selling Theresa May to the Express and the Mail and they love it. Her speech is to set the scene of how committed she is and to lay the blame at anyone who challenges her. It attacks the EU and paints them as the aggressor who are there to prevent poor little Britain from getting what it wants. If Brexit goes wrong, it was all an anti-British plot. Not a collective self inflicted brain haemorrhage. She's gone full on Farage and out Farages Farage.

This all comes perhaps a week before the Supreme Court Ruling.

Funny timing eh? No not really.

It’s a pre-emptive strike.

What on earth will they say? Will this merely allow May to dismantle our current legal system by gathering support for a General Election Manifesto that outlines its demise? Thus extending the mandate for Brexit even further. Probably.

I fear that the courts may only serve to strengthen May in the long run due to the lack of opposition and a Labour party that is imploding, with dozens of its MPs being rumoured to be looking for employment elsewhere. I fear that without a media able to effectively hold May to account in the face of her media baron supporters.

Our only hope really lies within the Conservative party itself and whether May is able to keep a lid on the various on going power struggles. The only trouble is that one of those challengers is a certain Brutus in the form of Mr Gove. I struggle to work out who would be worse; Gove or May. And of course this only highlights the issue that who else is there with in the Conservatives who isn’t a reptile? Even Arron Banks commentated that during the referendum he found Labour MPs nice people and the Conservatives unpleasant almost to a man. High praise indeed.

Meanwhile in America, NATO is obsolete and so Europe will have to consider an EU Army and Russia is firmly getting its claws in. And yeah, just Donald Trump. That Project Fear thing was just fake scaremongering wasn't it? Right? Right?

sigh

What on earth can possible stop this insanity? Not necessarily stop Brexit, but at least stop the PURE INSANITY.

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TheSmurfsAreHere · 19/01/2017 19:01

europe.newsweek.com/theresa-may-davos-speech-globalization-mainstream-politicians-544414?rm=eu

So if TM believes that governments needed to be more interventionist, “not just stepping back and…not just getting out of the way.”
I'm wondering what she is proposing to do....

woman12345 · 19/01/2017 19:02

Think there's something going on that we can't see, and it wasn't not Russia, but it did and does have a lot of funding.

Kaija · 19/01/2017 19:03

SemiPermanent, there if no new information in that clip. Open Britain is absolutely right: before the vote several prominent leave campaigners suggested that we could stay in the single market/ be like Norway/Switzerland. Whether because they believed it or were just trying to win the soft Brexit vote, it's only in recent months post-ref that they have been consistently pushing for hard Brexit.

woman12345 · 19/01/2017 19:05

Follow the money.

HashiAsLarry · 19/01/2017 19:30

Its not a surprise to hear this potential u-turn. Don't forget he government made a number of assurances to Nissan which her speech would have pissed all over. A threat to leak those assurances I wonder?

TheSmurfsAreHere · 19/01/2017 19:32

www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/the-man-who-wrote-article-50-thinks-the-uk-might-not-leave-t?utm_term=.ndmbBwko2#.pjv97jmp8

So it seems that we have 50% chance of NEVER going into Brexit.

But what I am more amazed about is .... the guy who wrote the Article 50, this awful piece of agreement that is stopping us from getting what we want, is British?!?

Peregrina · 19/01/2017 19:39

Shock horror - the man is British, and at present an EU citizen, so why shouldn't he have been one who drew up the legislation? He wouldn't just have been thinking of the UK though, or perhaps I should say, England.

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2017 19:40

Paul Mason ‏*@paulmasonnews*

Labour's position should be softest possible Brexit with no cliff edge ultimatums; to own the process you have to start the process; (1/x)
2/x) move concrete amendments if May puts any detail at all to Parliament then vote to enable A50 to begin negotiations but...
(3/x) Labour should make a clear pledge to vote down the Brexit deal May negotiates if - as likely - it is crap. That's a coherent line
4/x) Corbyn here is ahead of many metropolitan liberals/left still in denial + hoping Brexit will not happen. Hard place to be but right
(5/x) and accords with principle of democracy - Leave won. We can shape the destination but the train must leave the platform . Finally...
(6/x) the German elite is getting ready to enforce Grexit in July. Labour's mistake = not critical enough of Lisbon/EU before....
(7/x) for Labour to become the "Party of Brussels & Frankfurt" - would be strategic folly given high chance that Euro fails next. Still...
(8/x) being ahead of the curve compared to part of your political base is a hard place to be, as metro Labour MPs are aware

Huh what? Germany to force Greece to leave the EU in July? Have I missed something?!

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Faisal Islam ‏*@faisalislam*
Labour MP tells me he's suggesting an amendment to likely Article 50 Bill guaranteeing "£350m a week" in extra funding to the NHS...

That would be smart move.

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Samuel Lowe @SamuelMarcLowe
Before blabbering on about all the trade agreements we'll now get to sign, best to make sure UK actually gets to keep ones it already has.

Those are all the ones we have via the EU...

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Tonight's by-election (only one)
NORTON
Bromsgrove council, Worcestershire
CON

Can't see any change here. Labour, Green and UKIP also standing. No Lib Dems.

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 19/01/2017 19:51

Not Brexit related but clear example in British politics of shooting oneself in the foot.

Tory council blames Tory central government for mooted 15% council tax rise to cover increasing social care costs caused by cuts.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-38678629

Expect more of this in the years to come.

mathanxiety · 19/01/2017 19:55

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/18/not-punish-britain-shed-illusions-eu-fair-deal
Article by Verhofstadt...
One of the greatest challenges in the forthcoming negotiations will be the acute need to find a solution for Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, so that a new hard border dividing them is avoided. I am committed to doing my upmost to ensure, from the European Union side, that the specific needs of Ireland and Northern Ireland are prioritised in the negotiations to come.

Here again, Britain and the European Union must work together. It would be a tragedy if Brexit reversed any of the progress towards peace and reconciliation made in recent years, but much work must be done to square this circle and deliver a viable solution on the ground.

I would be interested to hear SuperMummy's views on NI.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 19/01/2017 19:58

I think leavers have swept the NI situation under the carpet. Soundbites and wishful thinking won't wash with that particular aspect of project cluster fuck.

woman12345 · 19/01/2017 20:02

German elite is getting ready to enforce Grexit
www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/04/greece-must-reform-or-leave-eurozone-says-german-minister
Yanis and Paul are similar, I think? Same sort arguments when Greece had their ref. And that word again 'elite'. Hmm popular with trots an alt right.
Different reasons for same outcome, and Corbin is fellow traveller.
www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/eu-like-hotel-california-you-can-never-leave-yanis-varoufakis-1.2688702
yanisvaroufakis.eu/2016/02/28/is-greece-not-another-compelling-reason-to-vote-for-brexit-on-23rd-june/
None of them real politicians.
It's the art of the possible, or used to be.

Surrey referendum to increase council tax to fund social services, are tory cracks appearing? They always destroy each other over the EU. If Gove replaces TM, I'm just booking a single way flight.

woman12345 · 19/01/2017 20:03

Agree, Misti and Ghostof wonder who's to replace Mc Guiness?

woman12345 · 19/01/2017 20:05

Verhofstadt Halo

Bolshybookworm · 19/01/2017 20:08

Noticeable lack of leavers on the NI thread I see.

mathanxiety · 19/01/2017 20:09

www.newsweek.com/theresa-may-davos-speech-globalization-mainstream-politicians-544414?rx=us

'She argued that governments needed to be more interventionist, “not just stepping back and…not just getting out of the way.”

“It means stepping up to a new, active role that backs businesses and ensures more people in all corners of the country share in the benefits of its success,” May said.'
......
Still hinting at the tax haven then, the bargain basement economy.

Is 'backing business' the usual Tory code for deregulation, selling off the NHS, and decimation of workers' rights; and is ensuring 'more people in all corners of the country share in the benefits of its success' code for making life livable only for those who are able and qualified to work?

Glaring omissions: Public services, egalitarian education.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 19/01/2017 20:10

The lack of consideration for NI shows just how narrow and insular Brexit thinking is.

woman12345 · 19/01/2017 20:12

Bolshybookworm They are brilliant on there about what it was like being kids during the war. Everyone with a brain knows how gorgeous peace is. NI 55% remain.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 19/01/2017 20:12

Noticeable lack of leavers on the NI thread I see.

I noticed that to. Its a shame because Ireland has an abundance of excellent pubs. Grin

Kaija · 19/01/2017 20:24

Crowdfunding a message to Theresa May:

www.crowdfunder.co.uk/fromthe48totheresamay/

Westministers: Boris and May give us the Brexit Leeming Plan.
Lico · 19/01/2017 20:29

Valls gets a slap across the face by a disgruntled young man!!

StripeyMonkey1 · 19/01/2017 20:33

I think Theresa May's message will be popular with a number of Leave voters who want a showdown. It's a bit like a massive football match against the EU. Exciting.

It's hard to use reason to argue against The Big Match. Some people will hate the idea of cancelling it and May is counting on that.

The problem of course is that if we "win" we only get the trade access we have already, and probably a bit less. If we "win" in getting to the front of the queue with the US, we get a trade deal, but it will be interesting to see whether it is better than worse for us than TTIP. My guess is that TTIP would have been a lot better, given the greater negotiating power of the EU as a bigger trade bloc.

But the issue is not actually whether we end up better off or not. It's the glory and fun of the fight. Us against them. Sovereignty.

The values of working together and cooperation seem to matter little. This is what I find the most sad.

StripeyMonkey1 · 19/01/2017 20:41

In fact I think that is the underlying issue of both Brexit and Trump. People want something to believe in and fight for.

These are the wrong fights, but we need to find the right one(s).

I think that the real issue may well be our values. The valuing of expertise and commercial ability has possibly been too pervasive in our society. Those with little of either are left with not much economically and even less in terms of self and social worth. What could we value instead that is more important and how do we instil those new values? What else could we call success? It's not just a UK issue of course.

woman12345 · 19/01/2017 20:44

StripeyMonkey1
But, considering that remain in EU or 48% have no money, no opposition support, almost no press, no TV, hardly any radio support, no spokesperson, no funding for internet twits, no violence, it's amazing that the numbers are still so high against brexit. It's still almost 50%?

Next steps in NI will be a push for united Ireland, the brexiteers tea and jam tax haven is going to be pretty small.

user1484653592 · 19/01/2017 20:44

ohhhhh....

"Aaron Banks was born in Northwich, Cheshire.[9] He spent the first part of his childhood in South Africa and returned to the UK to attend a private school in Berkshire before being expelled for “an accumulation of offences”, including the sale of lead stolen from school building roofs[10] and “high-spirited bad behaviour”.

Banks married young and was offered a junior job at Lloyd's of London. By the age of 27, he was running a division of Norwich Union. He spent a year working for Berkshire Hathaway, the investment company of Warren Buffett.[11]

He is a father of five and married to Russian Ekaterina Paderina,[1] who is reported to have received help to remain in the UK from Mike Hancock while he was an MP.[12]"

  • Formative years as white boy in Apartheid SA
  • private school educated in the UK but expelled for theft and thuggish behaviour
  • worked in banking and investment
  • married to a Russian national who asked favours from a MP to be granted to remain in the UK

wow, just wow. So obviously a privileged upbringing but maybe never really fitted in with the old money boys at private school resulting in destructive attention seeking anti social behaviour. a banker w*** and ties to Russia. intriguing.