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Brexit

Westministers: Boris and May give us the Brexit Leeming Plan.

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RedToothBrush · 17/01/2017 15:17

Theresa May has made a speech.

It’s a wish list for hard core Brexiteers. It’s a large corporate executive’s wet dream for exploitation.

Even requests for a white paper as recommended by the Brexit Committee have been ignored. Thus meaning there is no chance for proper scrutiny. Plus whilst on the one hand parliament have been told they will have a vote on the end deal, this is merely slight of hand, with Davis stating that if parliament vote against this, then we will leave the EU without a deal in a chaotic exit. Thus making the vote an exercise with a gun to parliament's head.

Workers Rights and the Welfare State die with Brexit. Even the precious NHS. Especially the precious NHS once its been stole off to the highest American bidder.

May is being lobbied by her hard right and to save her next she listens only to them. She has no interest in listening to anyone else. The demographic and voting patterns favour her to head this direction. There is nothing to be gained for her personally by doing anything else.

She is already laughing her head off in glee at the collapse of the NI assembly. It plays right to her agenda.

Under the wheels of the bus go the JAMs, under go the disenfranchised who rarely vote but came out in force for the referendum, under go single mothers, under go the disabled, under go those with mental health concerns who struggle with already bureaucratic systems set up to ‘catch them out’, under go the EU immigrants especially those who have families here and may not have equal rights in future, under go British Citizens living abroad who might find themselves without healthcare or pensions, under go our Human Rights and any chance of challenging the state’s authority and interference in our every day lives, under go small business who will drown in red tape, under go Scotland and NI.

Yet this is ‘for the children’ or ‘the grandchildren’. Its spineless and cynical and offers nothing for those currently able to vote but under the age of 40. Won't you think of the children? Its fine if you are already retired and have a nice little pension isn't it?

The National Interest? This is a foreign concept. Probably an EU one.

The Baby Boomers are net beneficiaries of the welfare state. The young are unlikely to have a welfare state in a few years and are already net contributors. They have now been robbed of the choice over their future and in patronising tones effectively told they are irrelevant.

And of course Uncle Donald is a fan. You can almost see his vampire fangs reading to get his teeth into the UK and suck the life blood out of it.

It is a horror show.

Its all about selling Theresa May to the Express and the Mail and they love it. Her speech is to set the scene of how committed she is and to lay the blame at anyone who challenges her. It attacks the EU and paints them as the aggressor who are there to prevent poor little Britain from getting what it wants. If Brexit goes wrong, it was all an anti-British plot. Not a collective self inflicted brain haemorrhage. She's gone full on Farage and out Farages Farage.

This all comes perhaps a week before the Supreme Court Ruling.

Funny timing eh? No not really.

It’s a pre-emptive strike.

What on earth will they say? Will this merely allow May to dismantle our current legal system by gathering support for a General Election Manifesto that outlines its demise? Thus extending the mandate for Brexit even further. Probably.

I fear that the courts may only serve to strengthen May in the long run due to the lack of opposition and a Labour party that is imploding, with dozens of its MPs being rumoured to be looking for employment elsewhere. I fear that without a media able to effectively hold May to account in the face of her media baron supporters.

Our only hope really lies within the Conservative party itself and whether May is able to keep a lid on the various on going power struggles. The only trouble is that one of those challengers is a certain Brutus in the form of Mr Gove. I struggle to work out who would be worse; Gove or May. And of course this only highlights the issue that who else is there with in the Conservatives who isn’t a reptile? Even Arron Banks commentated that during the referendum he found Labour MPs nice people and the Conservatives unpleasant almost to a man. High praise indeed.

Meanwhile in America, NATO is obsolete and so Europe will have to consider an EU Army and Russia is firmly getting its claws in. And yeah, just Donald Trump. That Project Fear thing was just fake scaremongering wasn't it? Right? Right?

sigh

What on earth can possible stop this insanity? Not necessarily stop Brexit, but at least stop the PURE INSANITY.

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Mistigri · 19/01/2017 17:06

Clive Lewis is in the shadow cabinet so that's significant if true (and I had a look at his Twitter feed and he seems to be implying that it is correct).

How long before this gets walked back? Retraction coming in one two ...

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2017 17:07

Indy Music ‏*@IndyMusic*
Kanye not asked to do Trump inauguration because they want something ‘traditionally American’

This language creep is special isn't it?

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Mistigri · 19/01/2017 17:07

(Retraction by Cobyn, I mean).

TuckersBadLuck · 19/01/2017 17:08

as far as we're all concerned

There's really not likely to be anyone reading these threads whose opinion's going to be changed by the ignorant ramblings of our self-appointed working class hero is there?

Bobochic · 19/01/2017 17:10

I think that the years-of-dumbing-down hypothesis of Brexit is spot on, though I would point at Bake Off and Strictly mindlessness rather than Downton.

unicornsIlovethem · 19/01/2017 17:11

Personally I think that poster is a goady time waster out to derail discussions until we just don't bother anymore - like a poster who always haunts the politics threads on here to a point where they are totally unreadable and unbearable.

woman12345 · 19/01/2017 17:12

She hasn't sung yet I'd love to believe this Peregrina, but it's like worries about war. War started when Putin weaponised those poor refugees iced up in middle Europe; and British immigrant officials deliberately terrorising and incarcerating effectively British (EU) citizens; and the violence in the campaign; and the fear that everyone feels about speaking freely.
It has started, I am sorry to say.
But we have to work round it.
People have before.

Peregrina · 19/01/2017 17:14

I think Norway does like us - or maybe used to. They send us a Christmas tree each year. I suppose it will depend on how many Norwegian citizens May can get booted out before they turn against us.

lurkinghusband · 19/01/2017 17:18

The die is cast

or for us elites (albeit comprehensively educated) alea iacta est ...

Bobochic · 19/01/2017 17:20

Does Norway have friends? It seems quite an independent sort of country and really quite unlike any other. Scotland seems to want to emulate it, in a hero-worship sort of way, but that isn't any substitute for friendship.

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2017 17:20

I think Chris Bryant will state his position soon enough...

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lurkinghusband · 19/01/2017 17:21

Don't the Swedish have a joke ?

"What does Norway have that Sweden doesn't ?"
"Good neighbours".

Or is it the other way around ?

TuckersBadLuck · 19/01/2017 17:22

Actually I've got a Latin O level (grade E) so maybe I'm more middle class than I like to admit. Grin

MitzyLeFrouf · 19/01/2017 17:23

I think the Norwegians have a bit of a complex as being viewed as the uncool cousin of the Scandinavian collective.

woman12345 · 19/01/2017 17:23

Clive, Chris..........?

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2017 17:23

Diane Abbott has an interesting position too. Just 20% of her constituency voted leave. I think she'll do anything Jeremy says but her constituency might not be too happy about it...

(Jeremy himself - 23% Leave).

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MitzyLeFrouf · 19/01/2017 17:24

But they have cheese that tastes like fudge so that at least should fill them with joy and a feeling of superiority. The Swedes eat fermented herring and the Danes are mad for liquorice. Envy

Bobochic · 19/01/2017 17:27

Yes, Norway doesn't have Ikea or H&M or world-class education or hygge or design or desirable box sets. It has oil and rugged terrain and impenetrable languages. Scotland would like to be it because it's similar but richer with more progressive social policies.

woman12345 · 19/01/2017 17:28

Jeremy himself - 23% Leave and Abbott 20%: both losing constituents' London jobs by voting to leave. FUCK. (sorry everyone)

MsHooliesCardigan · 19/01/2017 17:33

I got a B in my 'O' level Latin, I'll have you know. Fat lot of good it's done me. I am actually feeling properly scared right now. For those of you who really know Politics, what do you think the chances are that TM will pull back from the cliff edge?

prettybird · 19/01/2017 17:34

Norway did gift the Shetland Islands to Scotland as a dowry present for a marriage that never happened Hmm so I got told in Shetland

lurkinghusband · 19/01/2017 17:37

I got a B in my 'O' level Latin, I'll have you know. Fat lot of good it's done me

For me, it is a key to other languages .... never once regretted learning it.

Motheroffourdragons · 19/01/2017 17:38

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Bobochic · 19/01/2017 17:39

Theresa May won't pull back but something (a popular uprising?) can still stop Brexit.

Mistigri · 19/01/2017 17:43

I am actually feeling properly scared right now. For those of you who really know Politics, what do you think the chances are that TM will pull back from the cliff edge?

You need to pray for

  • a legal ruling that the devolved parliaments must be consulted
  • a legal ruling that A50 is reversible

I think (and have thought for a while) that the issues with Northern Ireland are the single most likely spanner in the works. I think a solution can be found for the movement of people, but cross border trade is a whole other can of worms - I think it will be one of the EU's red lines. Of course a hard border between NI and the ROI will kill the GFA stone dead, while a hard border between NI and Great Britain will incense the loyalists. It may come down to whether the Tories are prepared to throw the loyalists under the brexit bus (and whether they can do so legally).