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Westministers: Boris and May give us the Brexit Leeming Plan.

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RedToothBrush · 17/01/2017 15:17

Theresa May has made a speech.

It’s a wish list for hard core Brexiteers. It’s a large corporate executive’s wet dream for exploitation.

Even requests for a white paper as recommended by the Brexit Committee have been ignored. Thus meaning there is no chance for proper scrutiny. Plus whilst on the one hand parliament have been told they will have a vote on the end deal, this is merely slight of hand, with Davis stating that if parliament vote against this, then we will leave the EU without a deal in a chaotic exit. Thus making the vote an exercise with a gun to parliament's head.

Workers Rights and the Welfare State die with Brexit. Even the precious NHS. Especially the precious NHS once its been stole off to the highest American bidder.

May is being lobbied by her hard right and to save her next she listens only to them. She has no interest in listening to anyone else. The demographic and voting patterns favour her to head this direction. There is nothing to be gained for her personally by doing anything else.

She is already laughing her head off in glee at the collapse of the NI assembly. It plays right to her agenda.

Under the wheels of the bus go the JAMs, under go the disenfranchised who rarely vote but came out in force for the referendum, under go single mothers, under go the disabled, under go those with mental health concerns who struggle with already bureaucratic systems set up to ‘catch them out’, under go the EU immigrants especially those who have families here and may not have equal rights in future, under go British Citizens living abroad who might find themselves without healthcare or pensions, under go our Human Rights and any chance of challenging the state’s authority and interference in our every day lives, under go small business who will drown in red tape, under go Scotland and NI.

Yet this is ‘for the children’ or ‘the grandchildren’. Its spineless and cynical and offers nothing for those currently able to vote but under the age of 40. Won't you think of the children? Its fine if you are already retired and have a nice little pension isn't it?

The National Interest? This is a foreign concept. Probably an EU one.

The Baby Boomers are net beneficiaries of the welfare state. The young are unlikely to have a welfare state in a few years and are already net contributors. They have now been robbed of the choice over their future and in patronising tones effectively told they are irrelevant.

And of course Uncle Donald is a fan. You can almost see his vampire fangs reading to get his teeth into the UK and suck the life blood out of it.

It is a horror show.

Its all about selling Theresa May to the Express and the Mail and they love it. Her speech is to set the scene of how committed she is and to lay the blame at anyone who challenges her. It attacks the EU and paints them as the aggressor who are there to prevent poor little Britain from getting what it wants. If Brexit goes wrong, it was all an anti-British plot. Not a collective self inflicted brain haemorrhage. She's gone full on Farage and out Farages Farage.

This all comes perhaps a week before the Supreme Court Ruling.

Funny timing eh? No not really.

It’s a pre-emptive strike.

What on earth will they say? Will this merely allow May to dismantle our current legal system by gathering support for a General Election Manifesto that outlines its demise? Thus extending the mandate for Brexit even further. Probably.

I fear that the courts may only serve to strengthen May in the long run due to the lack of opposition and a Labour party that is imploding, with dozens of its MPs being rumoured to be looking for employment elsewhere. I fear that without a media able to effectively hold May to account in the face of her media baron supporters.

Our only hope really lies within the Conservative party itself and whether May is able to keep a lid on the various on going power struggles. The only trouble is that one of those challengers is a certain Brutus in the form of Mr Gove. I struggle to work out who would be worse; Gove or May. And of course this only highlights the issue that who else is there with in the Conservatives who isn’t a reptile? Even Arron Banks commentated that during the referendum he found Labour MPs nice people and the Conservatives unpleasant almost to a man. High praise indeed.

Meanwhile in America, NATO is obsolete and so Europe will have to consider an EU Army and Russia is firmly getting its claws in. And yeah, just Donald Trump. That Project Fear thing was just fake scaremongering wasn't it? Right? Right?

sigh

What on earth can possible stop this insanity? Not necessarily stop Brexit, but at least stop the PURE INSANITY.

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MitzyLeFrouf · 19/01/2017 15:59

And with Polls showing remainers are getting over it.

You’re wrong there I’m afraid.

Stats today from YouGov certainly don’t bolster such an assertion.

Westministers: Boris and May give us the Brexit Leeming Plan.
lurkinghusband · 19/01/2017 16:05

Possibly the most sublime and succinct encapsulation of what remainers think of leavers.

Ever.

Westministers: Boris and May give us the Brexit Leeming Plan.
Lico · 19/01/2017 16:06

Well, watch the sun rising ...(am very cynical). She really believes her own shite.

uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-davos-speech-full-text-2017-1

user1484653592 · 19/01/2017 16:11

XRed this article is SCARY! I mean really really scary. As in nightmare scary.

Why are people being removed:

"People have been detained for reasons such as losing their ID card or having a birthday party in a park, he said, adding: “From what we’ve seen, we’re not treating EU nationals fairly at the moment, let alone what’s going to happen after we leave the EU.”"

“The policy was spearheaded under the current Prime Minister, who as we know is much more interested in removing foreigners than she is in adopting policies which support our prosperity,” she said.
^ this reflect Theresa May's true personality and intentions. There is something rather sadistic about it.

Caroline Lucas, co-leader of the Green Party, said the figures were “deeply concerning” and Ms May’s actions did not match her claims that EU nationals living here were welcome.

“I am sure that this revelation will add to the deep sense of unease among EU nationals – who still have not been guaranteed a right to remain in the UK,” she said.

So it's the Greens and Lib Dems, the only parties still worth their salt.

lurkinghusband · 19/01/2017 16:12

I wonder if Gisela Stuart has had a letter ?

RBeer · 19/01/2017 16:13

Look on the positive side.

Brexit will be the perfect education for the British public about the functions of the EU. Tory & UKIP politicians and most of the media have spent 20 years misinforming people.

user1484653592 · 19/01/2017 16:16

I have also been mulling over Theresa May's use of the term "friends", she mentioned it many times but in a somewhat patronising and threatening manner and voice during her speech this week. Almost like "Hey EU, being our friend is a special privilege, which, if you do exactly as we want and tell you, may be lucky enough to keep.." or so. Also, who the hell is this woman to say who's our friend and who isn't? She is like a nasty playground bully.

Lico · 19/01/2017 16:17

RBeer, you have a point!

lurkinghusband · 19/01/2017 16:22

RBeer

I doubt it. Anything negative for the next 30-40 years will be blamed on a combination of Britains time in the EU plus a dollop of "it's the EUs fault over Brexit".

People still blamed the shit 70s on WW2 when I was growing up.

If nothing else, the whole Brexit phenomenon has proved my DF absolutely spot on, when he observed that like no one else he had ever met, the British really did have a sense the world owed them a living. Entitled doesn't begin to cover it. I'm guessing that's some sort of legacy (once again, the irony !!!!!) of our Norman past. One thing you could never accuse the Normans of was false modesty. Just look at their castles ....

Bobochic · 19/01/2017 16:26

lurkinghusband - I agree, the British sense of entitlement is flabbergasting and - for one such as I, living in France - profoundly embarrassing. From my viewpoint, Theresa May looks like an ill-educated loon with hot air swirling out of every orifice.

Peregrina · 19/01/2017 16:32

There is a debate on one of the facebook threads that I am on about whether Corbyn does plan to impose a 3 line whip or not. It's not clear.

Polls recently have consistently been wrong. I for one am not going to 'Get over it'. If there are good arguments for Brexit, then I want to hear them and I want Parliament at least and preferably the country via a General Election to have a proper say on them. What is there to be afraid of, if it's so good for the country?

I want to hear more than 'sunlit uplands'. When we have compromised our scientific research base, I want to hear what we will replace it with?
When we lose the tax take from those banking functions which are relocating I want to hear what will replace it.
When it comes to the whole world rushing to trade with us, I want to hear exactly what it is we want to trade and what they will offer in return. May's India trip did not go down well - the thorny issue of visas for their citizens wanting to come here arose. Oh yes, May, you kicked out 50,000 students illegally on trumped up charges. What are you going to do to make their fellow countrymen and women think that this is a good country to work and study? Countries like Australia, and New Zealand and Germany are offering a warm welcome, why not go there?

We make life uncomfortable for foreign citizens, so they decide to leave, as did Nazi Germany. But I am not supposed to mention them. Could this be that it's just something that some posters would like to stick their heads in the sand over?

woman12345 · 19/01/2017 16:41

Thread on what is really happening with treatment of EU citizens in this country.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2827683-Some-one-at-the-Home-Office-hasnt-thought-this-through-properly
Really shocking.

user1484653592 · 19/01/2017 16:47

from her speech

"So it is essential for business to demonstrate leadership. To show that, in this globalised world, everyone is playing by the same rules, and that the benefits of economic success are there for all our citizens."

that sounds a bit like socialism to me. She is threatened the 27 EU member states to do as they are told, now she lectures and threatens business to do as they are told. What a narcissist.

lurkinghusband · 19/01/2017 16:47

To be honest, Brexit is what you get after years of dumbed down history, plus a load of rose-tinted codswallop on TV. I'm still not entirely convinced that some leavers voted for Brexit thinking it was actually a vote on anotehr series of Downton Abbey (or, as Theresa May is making it, Downright Shabby).

There never was a "Golden Age of Empire" and generally, there is no country on Earth which doesn't have some reason in history - even recent history - to dislike Britain.

As one of Englands greatest writers~ said: It is impossible for an Englishman to open his mouth without making some other Englishman hate or despise him.

user1484653592 · 19/01/2017 16:47

"It means businesses paying their fair share of tax, recognising their obligations and duties to their employees and supply chains, and trading in the right way;

Companies genuinely investing in – and becoming part of – the communities and nations in which they operate, and abiding by the responsibilities that implies;"

how does that tie in with the UK being a tax haven?

Mistigri · 19/01/2017 16:48

SuperMummy seems to have sashayed into this thread thinking all they need to do is to parrot "taking back control" along with a serious of assertions they read early today in the Daily Mail, in the expectation that these pesky remainers will suddenly see the light.

I think it is more likely deliberate time wasting of the sort that went on on this board pre-referendum. Rise to the bait if you wish.

On a more interesting note, is Corbyn really suggesting there will be a three line whip? God, he's such a stupid bastard. Can he not see the hypocrisy, from an MP who spent his whole parliamentary career defying his party? (Sometimes with good reason, of course - but the same will be true of any labour rebels this time).

TuckersBadLuck · 19/01/2017 16:49

there is no country on Earth which doesn't have some reason in history - even recent history - to dislike Britain

Norway?

HashiAsLarry · 19/01/2017 16:50

We've given Norway a fair few nil points in the Eurovision

TuckersBadLuck · 19/01/2017 16:52

I think it is more likely deliberate time wasting of the sort that went on on this board pre-referendum

Why though? It's not like it can achieve anything now is it? The die is cast as far as we're all concerned. All it does is reinforce those Leaver clichés we avid mentioning.

woman12345 · 19/01/2017 16:54

God, he's such a stupid bastard that would be about right.
What are the numbers on voting intentions, does any one have them and any undecided who could be tackled.
Action needed.

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2017 16:57

AndrewSparrow ‏*@AndrewSparrow*
Clive Lewis says backing article 50 now, without further 'assurances', would not be good for his constituents

Clive Lewis is not on this list of Labour a50 rebels who voted in Dec saying they would not support invoking it in principle.

Rushanara Ali, Graham Allen, Ben Bradshaw, Ann Coffey, Neil Coyle, Stella Creasy, Geraint Davies, Jim Dowd, Louise Ellman, Chris Evans, Paul Farrelly, Mike Gapes, Helen Hayes, Meg Hillier, Peter Kyle, David Lammy, Chris Leslie, Ian Murray, Barry Sheerman, Tulip Siddiq, Angela Smith, Catherine West and Daniel Zeichner

Yet it sounds like he might be first on the list to ignore Corbyn's 3 Line Whip.

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user1484653592 · 19/01/2017 16:59

Is it safe to assume that MPS daring to vote against a50 will be hounded by DM, and the other new nasty 'news' portal the name of which i refuels to mention again? Would these MPs be branded as unpatriotic, 'the enemy' and have to worry about their and their family's safety?

Peregrina · 19/01/2017 17:00

The die is cast as far as we're all concerned.

To mix metaphors horribly, no, it ain't over til the fat lady sings. She hasn't sung yet.

woman12345 · 19/01/2017 17:03

thanks red So we need to go after all the Clives. And encourage more of them, somehow. Is there a national Remain campaign in existence anywhere, does any one know? Feels like we've been up the proverbial without a paddle since that egit won.

woman12345 · 19/01/2017 17:06

Would these MPs be branded as unpatriotic, 'the enemy' and have to worry about their and their family's safety? Yep, it's a dangerous business now and getting dangerouser .
And the momentum get that lovely warm Trotskyite feeling when provoking revolution.