Can we stqrt calling it what is is?

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It's not exit, it's independence. Alternatively we should call it sovereignty or self rule.

There was never a chance of an EU army whilst we had a veto. Which we will lose as we exit. The ignorance on this thread is mind blowing, but I guess that's why we're in this mess.

Exactly. We would always veto it so it would never have happened. In fact, the EU army is more likely (but still unlikely) now.

Fastest growing economy? Jesus Christ woman - do you know anything about the global economy? Ffs this is what scares me!

The referendum should never have happened. The issues were too complex for an in/out referendum.
David Cameron has a lot to answer for. There was no need to pander to potential UKIP voters to avoid defeat in the GE.

It's extremely bad news for most of us. Just look at what Philip Hammond has been suggesting about a "new model" for the UK economy. An offshore tax haven, which can only be created by dismantling worker's rights and environmental regulations. This will be great news for the wealthy elite but I can't see it benefiting the "Just about managing" that she insists she is working for.

I think he did have to pander to UKIP to win, but I'd rather have a coalition or labour than this shite that we're having to go through.

People are worrying about how exit from the EU will affect the economy. Meanwhile, Trump may start a trade war with China and then the world economy is screwed and the whole EU thing will pale into insignificance....

You see I don't think he did as UKIP's supported is spread out so wouldn't win. Also, I'd have been thrilled with a red, yellow, green (and plaid and SNP) coalition so there we go!

I only know of two groups that are in favour of leave. Firstly the ones that think it will stop all immigration, and secondly small business owners that want to ease the "burden" of workers rights. You know paying overtime as part of holiday pay. Maximum hours, minimum wages.

If trump only starts a trade war then I think that's the best we can hope for.....

There was never a chance of an EU army whilst we had a veto.

Given that Trump has a lukewarm attitude towards NATO, the one thing I could see the UK doing is voluntarily joining an EU Army even outside the EU. As for example, May still wants us to be able to enact the European Arrest Warrant. She is still hoping for a pick n' mix deal.

A coalition with a party with only one MP?

Imperial - yup. I think you'll find that John Major relied on the votes of a couple of DUP MPs during his minority government.
But then, I think our system has got confused. Our we voting for our MP or a party? I'd rather see the best MP for the job in a ministerial position regardless of party.

haha, you are a cared by people's ignorance and say we are in a mess, yet joke about Trumps trade war being the least of our worries about him. I reckon a 1930s style economic crash is something pretty serious, which is what a China-US trade war could trigger. The UK economy is small fry compared to China

A trade war is a little less serious than a nuclear war!!!

Of course nuclear war is more serious. Which underlines my point that on one hand people are angry and fraught about Brexit buy on he oher hand making jokey comments about Trump. It doesn't make sense to me, but maybe I am misreading the tone of haha's comments. Apologies if this is so.

(I am not defending Brexit - I wanted Remain - but I do think we need to keep our eyes open and look at the whole picture, and the Trump presidency has created a whole new context which we didn't anticipate)

Given the UK's colonial history, it is excruciatingly embarrassing for the rest of the world to hear us referring to a UK Independence Day totally agree, I have lost count of the number of times European and American friends have made this point, usually accompanied by the raising of an eyebrow!

It is an embarrassing mess. What we think about Trump being a liability. That's what most of the rest of the world think about us leaving the EU. Which sets a lovely background for trade deals and entente cordiale.

If the Canadians build a wall to keep Trump out, I'm interested.

My life personally will be improved because my dc and my new dgchild will be safe from an overbearing EU Superstate skewing industry, farming and manufacturing with subsidies, rules and hangouts. We will no longer be net contributors to an unelected, wasteful behemoth. No chance of an EU army no more uncontrolled immigration. A new brighter better stronger future in the fastest growing economy. The economic Armageddon promised by Mark Carney et al was/is imaginary and doom mongering designed to keep us in our place. So yes lets start calling it like it is UK Independence Day

Please can you tell us on a daily basis how your life will be better? Are your positive predictions for economic growth based on any expertise or just optimism? Thank you.

Independence? Sovereignty? What a load of old guff. What will these nebulous ideas matter once we have no money to exercise any independence with? We already had sovereignty. Now we will be immeasurably poorer. Without the single market we will be economically fucked. It is that simple. Those who are patting themselves on the back, smugly thinking they are doing their grandchildren a favour, are fucking clueless.

I did and I have repeatedly this is not a school room

I literally can't sleep at night through fear of all this. What a total fucking mess.

Not from an organisation which they chose to join and which has far more benefits than disadvantages

Sorry but no one voted - or chose to join the EU in its current incarnation.

That is not true. The EU has morphed, and changed and grown beyond all recognition to what people voted for back in the day.
It depends which side of the coin your on but of course there are some advantages to being in the EU but to most people, the disadvantages out weigh the advantages.

I can't believe we have been sleepwalking into this behemoth for so long.

What are these disadvantages which outweigh proper workers' rights? We did vote for it by the way. We elected the governments who signed the treaties. They made no secret of their policies. It was debated at the time and there was LOADS on the Maastricht treaty at the time. If the nation had REALLY wanted out more would have voted UKIP at the time.
And can we remember that actually the majority wasn't an absolute one and that Farage had said he would contest a result like that if it had been the other way round!

Remember freedom of movement works both ways. There are many who have chosen to live in EU countries but who had Monday on this either, despite being British citizens. I'm not talking sunny pensioners here either I'm talking professionals.