Can we stqrt calling it what is is?

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It's not exit, it's independence. Alternatively we should call it sovereignty or self rule.

May is a politician Mother, they are the masters of metamorphosis.
This is nothing new in the world of politics.
(Although I don't agree she is xenophobic).

Semi - Your words: "If you're waiting for someone else to do it, no wonder you've not moved on. As with the most heartbreaking & devastating of relationship breakdowns you have to work at healing yourself."

... where you are clearly under the impression that the "healing" Mother is referring to is something to be done on one's own, like licking one's wounds and repairing a damaged ego after a relationship breakup.

Total fucking misunderstanding of the problem here.

This is not a "relationship breakdown", since nearly half the country can't up and leave, never to see the other half again. There is nowhere else to "move on" to. These are your exact words and they show a shocking lack of perspective.

The "healing" necessary can only be done when those in charge address the very valid concerns and act in an inclusive way, helping the divided population find common ground.

I'm fast starting to think that Brexit per se is the least of the UK's problems. It's all relative.

Theresa May and her motley crew of incompetents are actively fighting against parliamentary sovereignty and the independent judiciary. Vilifying those that don't agree with nonsensical platitudes as "unpatriotic". An advisory vote with support of just 26% of the population being "leveraged" to fundamentally change the country's standing and connectivity with the world, in a manner that has zero business case and will wreak havoc on innocent family lives. Actively encouraging misinformation via mass media. This is a very big deal indeed.

Having just lived through the accelerated demise of democratic freedoms in Turkey (as a British expat who has only just returned to the UK), I can only assume that many people here have no clue what the death of democracy looks like in real life else they would be a lot more worried and a lot more angry. Clue: it starts off looking a lot like this.

where you are clearly under the impression that the "healing" Mother is referring to is something to be done on one's own, like licking one's wounds and repairing a damaged ego after a relationship breakup.

"Clearly"?!
Nope. No I'm not "clearly" under that impression at all.

But carry on making shit up!

Clue: it starts off looking a lot like this. agree.

...I forgot to add state surveillance without due cause which puts China & Russia to shame, plus intention to opt out of human rights protections.

And people are celebrating "independence" . Enjoy that.

The bottom line really is that the majority of our country voted to leave so we need to all work together to achieve the best outcome for all.

We are a democracy so have to work on that.

Brexit is the belief that the UK should be able to do whatever the hell it wants and always exactly on its own terms.
That was fine when we had an Empire and a huge Navy to impose our will. Those days are long gone.

The referendum might as well have asked whether or not people believe in Father Christmas. That 52% of voters want, in the face of all evidence, to believe in FC doesn't make the democratic decision a good one.

Semi - Why do you say stuff you don't mean, then?

Why don't you try to explain, if you think I have misunderstood when you told Mother to heal herself, as after a bad breakup?

I can only assume that you realized the silliness of your statement and are now backtracking.

"The bottom line really is that the majority of our country voted to leave so we need to all work together to achieve the best outcome for all."

Hmmmmmmmm.

so we need to all work together to achieve the best outcome for all.

Care to offer some concrete examples of what "work" we "all" need to do to achieve what "best outcome"?

In 7 months, the key suggestions I have seen are, broadly, "Don't Talk Britain Down", "Just Believe" and "Don't say anything less than glowing to or about Leavers". Apart from that, I'm given to understand that we need do nothing in particular for the "best outcome", because there have been and will be absolutely no negative consequences (whether economic, social or political) and after all, we are leaving the nasty EU which is the source of all our ills and therefore by definition, everything can only be getting better.

We are a democracy so have to work on that.

Indeed so, so why on earth did someone have to go to the Supreme Court to clarify whether Parliament was able to vote on the issue? Did we really vote to chuck Parliamentary Democracy, developing over a period of 800 years, into the bin, because of the result of poorly drafted Referendum legislation? Called because a weak Prime Minister couldn't control 40 odd loonies in his party?

Careless - "Having just lived through the accelerated demise of democratic freedoms in Turkey (as a British expat who has only just returned to the UK), I can only assume that many people here have no clue what the death of democracy looks like in real life else they would be a lot more worried and a lot more angry. Clue: it starts off looking a lot like this."

^ This. I am also very familiar with Turkey's recent history and developments and agree that this is 100% true.

The breakdown of Turkey's democratic processes, people's faith in its institutions and government, and the ultimate demise of this secular republic can all be traced back to Erdogan ignoring the concerns of half of the population regarding major changes and telling them to suck it up. Referendum campaigns based on lies and disinformation. Turning half the population on the other half with no effort whatsoever at healing or even bridging the gap between them.

It is still the majority of votes though, careless. If people didn't vote, that's their mistake really, and those that can't have no say anyway....

I voted to remain as I think the days of us managing by ourselves are long gone but I do think that we have to work on the outcome so it is best for all of us. Maybe I am too optimistic but we have to try otherwise we'll sink.

*Semi - Why do you say stuff you don't mean, then?

Why don't you try to explain, if you think I have misunderstood when you told Mother to heal herself, as after a bad breakup?

I can only assume that you realized the silliness of your statement and are now backtracking.*

I don't say stuff I don't mean.
I am not backtracking.

Yay!
The silly pie chart has been wheeled out...
The one that informs us that babies, children, prisoners and all the others who aren't eligible to vote, can't vote...

The pie chart generally only gets wheeled out when someone refers to leave voters as "the majority of the country", or "the people" or something equally nonsensical. Clearly people still need reminding.

If I have misunderstood, do try to explain what you meant by telling Mother to go heal herself as if after a bad breakup. < gets popcorn >

...I forgot to add state surveillance without due cause which puts China & Russia to shame, plus intention to opt out of human rights protections
and the new Digital Economy Bill, on which parliament will not be able to vote on all its sections.
Putin did the same in Moscow with 'Sorm'
Digital Democracy going the same way as the analogue version..

Cote, I think she meant that as a remainer the onus is on me to just shut up remoaning and get on with loving this new idea of little Britain against the rest of the world

Nope.
Didn't say that either.
But another beautifully crafted piece of Something I Did Not Say, nonetheless.

It's a fucking disaster caused by complete ignorance.

I am so angry.