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Pull up a chair and relax.....

Of course his visit won't be stopped, nor should it. The Chinese came didn't they. They have an abysmal human rights record.

We have no right? I'm growing increasingly fond of Terence's statement: Humanus sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto. Or to put it another way, as the great dead Jacob Marley nearly said: Mankind is our business. I'm a human; nothing that is human is foreign to me.

Sorry you are having a bad day Bear. Just try and remember that this is only an MN thread and not RL.

Sadly, I think you actually believe that

I'm not trying to throw the kind words back at people but this is most certainly not only a MN thread.

It's very, very real and very, very serious.

Gah! Wrong thread.

I just can't believe the shit that people come out with in here.

I'm off before my IQ falls further.

"Petition to stop the elected president of America visiting the queen filed in the bin - as expected.
Did anyone really think a petition would stop the most powerful man on Earth coming here? America, one of our closest allies?"

The petition was not to stop him coming. It was to stop him having an official state visit. And no, even if it gets to 15 million signatures nobody expects it to stop the visit any more than protesting outside Downing Street will stop it. It is about people making their objections heard. All part of the democratic process which leavers are of course committed to.

You can sign it here:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Closest allies?
Christ....just you wait.
Brexiteers have a shock coming.

"Whether Elvis and Mickey Mouse have signed it as with the Demand For Another Referendum petition is as yet unknown."

A reminder before you get too carried away down that kind of thought that the 2nd referendum petition was started by a leaver just before the vote who thought that Remain had won, and that the number of fake votes added by the 4Chan hackers was a very tiny proportion of the total. But clearly just enough for those who wanted to believe it was all fake and were prepared not to look too closely.

"Brexiteers have a shock coming."

Yes. But a few at a time. Like Nadhim Zawahi. I'm sure we will be a long way down the line before many start connecting the dots.

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-mp-reveals-he-is-banned-from-us-under-trumps-muslim-ban-a7551511.html%3Famp?client=safari

One million Brits signing a petition saying Trump should be denied a state visit is a clear & wonderful democratic demand that MPs must swiftly act on.
17 million Brits voting for Brexit is a brainless act of anti-democratic self-destruction that MPs must strike down.

Democracy / noun / ideas that the chattering class agrees with.

Courtesy of FB.

I posted this on a Donald thread but I'll repeat it here.
The Queen has had to put up with unsavoury characters staying at Buck.Palace before.
Neville Callaghan the Labout PM invited the uber evil Romanian Ceaucescus on a state visit in 1978.
It's a long time ago but I wonder if there were protests about them coming. It was shameful of the government to invite them.

What is happening now in the U.K. And US has direct parallels with the 1930s. Direct parallels. Anyone who studied history can see it clearly.
Steve bannon (who is in all but name the president of the US) is a right wing Christian fundamentalist who wants a faith war (or jihad if you prefer)
and you know what?
I am trying to convince myself that most leave voters had no clue what was happening across Europe and the US with the rise of the far right and the demonising of whole races and faiths.
But reading this thread makes me wonder.
I think some of you are totally fine with that.
And that means I'm out of this thread and off to protest.
Good luck everyone.
We're going to fucking need it.

You know surfer, the completely brilliant thing about democracy is that you can have votes and protests. Isn't it great?

Oh everyone's watching them now Dapple, just waiting to see how many other petitions get started for anyone who isn't Donald Trump. ( but 10 x worse )

Neville Callaghan the Labout PM

Neville Callaghan? Was he the PM before Shirley Thatcher?

😂

2nd referendum petition was started by a leaver just before the vote who thought that Remain had won

Oh i remember that, very funny

Apologies - Jim Callaghan. Can't think why I wrote Neville - Neville Chamberlain must have popped into my head.

Evening all. Baileys please as I am trying to keep off the drink.

Oh my. Isn't it like old times? Takes me right back to June 2016.

For a lot of anti monarchy folk who continually tell us that UK is just a forgotten little blot and we should be sent to the naughty step if we havent torn the empire page out of our colouring in book, they don't half get all shouty about protecting the queen...even if she thinks the wrong way (bloody leaver)... maybe she can be re-educated.

"The Queen has had to put up with unsavoury characters staying at Buck.Palace before."

I'm guessing none of them boasted about how they could have had sex with her daughter-in-law or encouraged her granddaughter-in-law to sunbathe nude for the paparazzi.

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For a lot of anti monarchy folk who continually tell us that UK is just a forgotten little blot and we should be sent to the naughty step if we havent torn the empire page out of our colouring in book, they don't half get all shouty about protecting the queen...even if she thinks the wrong way (bloody leaver)... maybe she can be re-educated."

Who are the "anti-monarchy folk"?

Kaija - agreed, Ceaucescu didn't do either of those things - not on public record, anyway, - but he did far worse. A truly wicked man.

Couldn't agree more, Badders.

As a republican I have no issues with a very wealthy white privileged person having to play nicey nicey with another very wealthy white privileged person.
My issues with Mr Trump are more to do with his complete disregard for federal and state laws. Add to that his dislike of the UN and the EU (because they are powerful bodies over which he has no control)
Add to that his intention to withdraw from the Paris climate accords and his complete inability to act as a statesman (i really think he is mentally subnormal) and that's reason enough to protest his visit which will cost the British taxpayer how much exactly?....

No doubt, dapple grey. But that was, you know, nearly 40 years ago. This is now. You want us to go and protest about Ceausescu instead?

Yes to all of Badders' post.