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Oh please beer, don't be ridiculous.

Love that Wendy

Trump is doing what he said he'd do, he's doing what his supporters want.
Maybe he's the first politician in history who actually does what he promised ?
A politician who tells the truth and actually delivers - not sure anyone can argue with that.

Out of interest, what would be too far for the Trump fans on here?
And yes, he is a fascist. He's not Hitler (less eloquent and more unstable for a start), he's not a Nazi, but he is a fascist.

Once more, daring to be light hearted about Very Serious Things is deemed UNSUITABLE for mn which is a Very Serious Place, don't you know.

So when not being lighthearted, what do people really think? I know that you condemn Trump's Muslim ban Semi. I know loads of leavers in real life who are very decent, principled people. And I also know a few who are racist twats. But when someone I don't know has nothing but praise and cheers for a man like Trump, I tend to take them at their word, what else do I have to go on?

surfer he's only 'doing what he said he'd do' partially though isn't he.

He is only targeting countries where he does not have business interests, and not countries where he does, such as Saudi Arabia.

And he's relied on 9/11 to support his case while listing countries that had no involvement in 9/11 and leaving out the one country that did.

Maybe your point is that his supporters wouldnt draw this sort of distinction.

Are there actually any topics you would regard as not suitable for light hearted treatment semi?

light hearted seems to be code here for as long as you agree with me and cheerlead enthusiastically and uncritically for whatever I believe in. It's a bit creepy actually.

Listening to Nadhim Zahawi I am struck by his acceptance of Obama's discriminatory Visa policy. This for me is the source of the problem and the broad drafting of the EO is the consequence of no-one questioning that. I am not sure how the list of countries covered correlates with previous policy? Curious that Nigeria is not covered? Not sure what travel restrictions apply in the UK in relation to refugees? Suspect that DC's vetting procedures for accepting refugees are stronger than those in the US?

Listening to Harriet Harman criticising TM's approach I am struck that everyone is desperate to get DT to commit fully to NATO which given the power imbalance on troops, equipment and finance effectively commits all NATO members to be dictated to by DT on defence.

I find it very difficult to listen dispassionately to HH because all I see is the woman who spoke in favour of the 2 child limit in the benefits system.

When did jokes about Hitler/Fascism become de rigueur?

A bit creepy to attempt to close down all rational analysis imo Figment. Omid Djalili, Shappi Khorsandi et al speak very eloquently on the ability of comedy to "shine a light".

Agree with Surfer.

He's said he would do this, repeatedly during his campaign he said all these things - but we're so used to not believing or second guessing every single thing that politicians say, that we're shocked.

I don't believe for a second Armageddon will occur though in all honesty; he absolutely needs to be reigned in sharpish - which it is the job of the American govt to do, not TM - where are they in all this?

The majority of posters on this thread are leavers yes. Not sure I'd say we're Trump 'fans' but we're not over critical of him either.

We don't argue on here that's all. It's not what this thread is about.
I think the term 'fascist' gets thrown around far too often these days, so often that it now just means anyone who doesn't agree with me on democratically elected issues.
It's lost its true meaning.

Do you think it's right though Surfer? The people stuck at airports and some dual nationality British people I am sure are not terrorists.

Terrorists don't normally wear T.shirts with 'I'm a terrorist' on it.

DT is the democratically elected president of the U.S. He's doing what he said he'd do.
Fine by me.

Are there actually any topics you would regard as not suitable for light hearted treatment semi?

Probably not, if I'm honest.
Gallows humour was de rigour in my former job, you needed it; all too often it was a case of 'if you don't laugh, you'll cry' - and the machine can't function if it's collapsed in a tearful heap.

light hearted seems to be code here for as long as you agree with me and cheerlead enthusiastically and uncritically for whatever I believe in. It's a bit creepy actually.

Not at all.
It means you can see the humour in a silly meme for e.g.
Humour and reducing the bogeyman to comedic proportions doesn't mean you don't give a shit - it just means that you deal with things differently.

No they don't wear a T-shirt Surfer, just a completely ineffective way of trying to eradicate terrorism.

Semi, do you agree with Surfer there? Is what DT is doing fine by you too, because he was democratically elected?

Headfull, he was democratically elected - he is doing exactly what he said he would; his actions are entirely consistent with his words.

Whether I, personally, agree with every single edict is not my bigger point really -
regardless of their content, we are so indoctrinated to accepting that politicians Will Lie that we are shocked when they don't.
This is far, far more troubling in the wider context.

Whether I agree with Trump's orders is neither here nor there - it is American Domestic policy, as directed by their democratically elected president.

That is a politician's answer.Yes or no would have sufficed.
Surfer is fine with the Muslim Ban. Do you agree with her?

The back peddling will be slow and unashamed.

DT was very clear on what he was going to do if he was made POTUS, every US citizen was aware and he was subsequently democratically elected POTUS. If people didn't believe he would actually do it then that is for them to decide if they made the right choice. I didn't go through what the US citizens went through in 9/11 - maybe they don't feel safe in their own country, maybe this has been bubbling under for the last 16 years.

This is Americas business to deal with as they see fit.

Personally, if I was a US citizen I would not have voted for Hilary but that does not make me a hardened trump fan but, i have time for anyone who cuts out the crap, says what he thinks and then follows this up.

mumsnet has gone hysterical (again) about DT and there is no room for a different view. There was an interesting thread a while back on Trump but that was shutdown, it would have been even more interesting now but hey ho.

If you are going to pretend to channel Jeremy Paxman and use this thread to interrogate posters then you should expect a 'politicians answer' quite frankly.

You're lucky you got an answer at all, usually I'm quite resolute in not giving any truck to the tedium of Endless Questions and Demands on these threads.

Trump was democratically elected.
His actions are entirely consistent with his words.

I actually find it more outrageous in its absurdity that people feel more comfortable with leaders doing something completely different to what they say they will tbh.

It was hardly an interrogation, just a simple question which you don't want to answer.

Oh yes I feel so lucky that her majesty, Semi replied to little old me. Endless questions? Nothing like alternative facts eh . I asked one simple question. Sorry if it was too much for you.