to share with you the croudfund link for the new legal action to stop brexit

[MarieBurnham]

www.crowdjustice.org/case/brexit-for-the-100/

I've only given a tenner, but there are plenty of rich people (unless it's all stealth boasting about dipique candles) here, so we should be able to help.

It's currently at 18.507k and needs 70!

Does anyone know how much they need altogether? I know £70,000 was the first target, but presumably this isn't the total?

I apologise for using the word remoaner but I am pissed off at the antics of what I do see as a London centric liberal elite trying to treat struggling voters as being an obstacle to continuing their nice multi-millionaire globe trotting lifestyles.

80sMom In a debate where leave voters are branded 'thick' your comments are about as passive aggressive as they get. And you are wrong, this is not an English exam, so words do not have intrinsic meanings, they have usages. Dictionaries are not legal documents that dictate how something is spelt or used they only describe how it is commonly or sporadically used and spelt. So as long as the correct meaning is communicated, which was, how I spell words is irrelevant. So the only correct response you have is that you don't like how I spell my words. Which is very snobbish behaviour.

tiggytape Very good explanation, I would only digress with the ending. We will be forced into a General Election and given 63 per cent of constituencies voted for Brexit we will end up with a majority of MPs who will be forced into just walking away from the EU, building a wall and using WTO rules. I would rather have an amicable Brexit but these remainers that cant accept a democratic vote will get the hardest of hard exit.

London centric liberal elite

Who are these 'London centric liberal elite' I keep hearing about? I don't really know who the 'elite' are to start with - what does it mean? And the 'liberal elite'?

I run a business and I make a living but I'm certainly nobody's idea of 'elite'. But then there's nobody else I look at and think 'wow, they're elite'. And I've certainly never thought 'oh, there go the London-centric liberal elite again'. Who are we talking about and what makes them 'elite'?

I thought that 'elite' was rather a nice label to have attached by one's peers actually. 'Elite athlete', 'elite academic' or 'elite hotel' even, seems to be something better than just 'athlete', 'academic' or 'hotel'.

Are there any people I should look out for as being part of this 'London-centric liberal elite'? And is it the 'London-centric', the 'elite' or the 'liberal' which is a problem, or is it that disgusting combination of all three.

Could I be part of a Warrington-centric liberal non-elite without even being aware of it?

"I apologise for using the word remoaner but I am pissed off at the antics of what I do see as a London centric liberal elite trying to treat struggling voters as being an obstacle to continuing their nice multi-millionaire globe trotting lifestyles. "

I am utterly sick to death of the claim that Remainers are the "London-centric liberal elite"!

For goodness sake have some imagination!! Leavers complain loudly and bitterly at being stereotyped, yet continue to trot out this rubbish.

Remainers do not all live in London and London was not the only area to vote Remain. They come from all walks of life, certainly not "an elite", whatever that may be.

I see many Leavers as being the elite: those who want to scrap the Human Rights and working rights legislation in order to further drive down working conditions and pay for their employees. I'm going by the number of Leave posters and placards on the farms and land owned by these employers.

Then there are all those liberal elite types in Scotland and NI...

I don't care about being called a 'remoaner'

I see many Leavers as being the elite: those who want to scrap the Human Rights and working rights legislation in order to further drive down working conditions and pay for their employees. I'm going by the number of Leave posters and placards on the farms and land owned by these employers.

Well quite. Arron Banks, Baron Bamford, Jacob Rees Mogg and John Redwood are hardly men of the people. Not no mention the wealthy owners of the pro-Leave newspapers.

The Barclay brothers for example, owners of the Daily Telegraph and also the 'Yodel' delivery service, so well-known for its great treatment of employees and its above-average wages.

For goodness sake have some imagination!! Leavers complain loudly and bitterly at being stereotyped, yet continue to trot out this rubbish

Tbf there is a lot of rubbish being said on both 'sides' including this thread
Remainers are being sick of being called 'the elite'

Leavers are sick of being called racist, uneducated etc

It is all ridiculous.

Let's all join hands be friends and sing a song...

Kumbaya?

Good morning starshine?

Silent night?

Something by Cliff Richard

I agree Piglet

People on both sides stereotyping and labelling is really unhelpful. I think people need to accept that millions of ordinary people voted remain and millions voted leave.

Tuckers still, I'm sure none of the above plan to benefit financially from Brexit, they only want the best for Britain's 'brightest and best'. www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/15/panama-papers-reveal-offshore-secrets-arron-banks-brexit-backer

Well I think we all understand what 'racist' or 'uneducated' mean and I think we can all agree that not all leave voters are racist or uneducated.

What is this 'elite' thing though? Who is this 'elite'?

Most of the people I'd deem 'elite' in a financial sense seem to want to leave the EU for their own selfish reasons. Most intellectually 'elite' (i.e. 'clever' people or 'experts') seem to want to stay.

So as long as the correct meaning is communicated, which was, how I spell words is irrelevant. So the only correct response you have is that you don't like how I spell my words. Which is very snobbish behaviour.

I can't quite tell if you're being serious. If you are, this Leave voter thinks that correct spelling is important and not snobbish, and that believing that words can be spelled however you like and it doesn't matter as long as the meaning is conveyed would be a very extreme position even for a staunch descriptivist.

You can argue that it's rude to correct someone's spelling on an online message board, possibly, but not that all spellings are equally valid. To be honest you're not really helping refute the negative stereotypes here. (If you're not being serious and I'm missing the point, sorry, do ignore me.)

I was the mean person who was annoyed by "bias" in place of "biased" - I had never seen used like that until recently and now it's everywhere,

It seems to be a very specific usage popularised by the alt-right. I'm not sure why it annoys me so much, maybe it's just that I object to the English language being misused by Nazis.

As a general rule I'm not bothered by spelling errors, but you can't get away with them if you want to post about how uneducated the remoaners are ;)

I'm a pedant and a fl;awed perfectionist, but on a website where people are using the written word as a convenient form of 'chatting' then surely bad spelling and grammar only become an issue if they make something hard to understand?

Your or you're really grates with me, as does quite and quiet (looking at RTB here ) and a hundred other regularly misspelt words (my spellchecker has underlined 'misspelt', I hope it's wrong), it's not really a big deal though if the meaning is conveyed.

I noticed somebody correcting 'free reign' to 'free rein' earlier on. I fully understand the difference but actually, in the context it's been used on here at the moment, 'free reign' is possibly just as appropriate. Allowing the Government to use the Royal Prerogative is 'free reign' as well as 'free rein' isn't it?

Calling some posters an elite is hardly in the same category as calling them a bloody racist FFS

'Elite' means 'bourgeois' as in the Stalinist, 'get thee to Siberia' sense. Why do you think they've closed so many libraries? To stop those pesky elitists being traitorous readers.

.... and I thought I'd stumbled on the worst Brexit thread before...... Till now
But just to be clear, this now is about buying the result you want????? Seriously?

but I am pissed off at the antics of what I do see as a London centric liberal elite

Once you start labelling people as 'elite', you create the idea of 'other'. Dismiss the views of experts, of the 'intellectuals' and create 'other'. History has a bad reputation when it comes to treating the 'other'. Pick a regime from history and a revolution and look what happened to the 'other'.

Misti, your biased to bias is interesting. Extremist speech often gives high status to noun forms. Son of immigrant and bisexual William Shakespeare used it to portray fascistic Coriolanus.

amispartacus I agree. It's worked in Germany, China, USSR and Cambodia in the last 100 yrs.

'Elite' means 'bourgeois' as in the Stalinist, 'get thee to Siberia' sense.

That's it though isn't it? Every time I hear one of these clichéd phrases I just think of Citizen Smith. I'm showing my age I expect brothers.

Come the revolution, who are the first people to leave?

Who gets targeted first?
How are such people targeted?
I'm sure history teaches us that as well..

Yes Tuckers it's quite a retro fascism we've got (look at Nigel and the Donald's clothes!), but if it ain't broke.........!