to share with you the croudfund link for the new legal action to stop brexit

[MarieBurnham]

www.crowdjustice.org/case/brexit-for-the-100/

I've only given a tenner, but there are plenty of rich people (unless it's all stealth boasting about dipique candles) here, so we should be able to help.

It's currently at 18.507k and needs 70!

Why wouldn't we want to know if a50 is reversible though? Surely if it is we have a stronger negotiating position? Although I suppose the Brexiteers would argue that the EU will offer us a worse deal so that we end up choosing to stay.

only a small minority of people tell pollsters that they are prepared to accept a significant financial hit in return for an ideologically pure Brexit

If that is the question pollsters are asking then its very bias, so the results mean nothing. Where is the evidence that controlling our own boarders means we have to accept a significant financial hit. In fact quite the opposite, leaving the EU will have a boost to the country in the long term.

Why wouldn't we want to know if a50 is reversible though?

Up to the referendum day it was understood by all sides that initiating A50 meant we would leave the EU 2 years later, unless an extension was granted by all parties. Lawyers are now trying to make A50 reversible.

The consequence of which will be to influence negotiations in such a way that causes us to cancel Brexit. And whatever the eventual outcome the uncertainty trashes our country in the mean time.

I am not stupid, I am well educated, I thought very hard about my vote, and I voted leave with a vey heavy heart. I feel more cheerful now, as the plagues of locusts and the instant massive recession we were promised have failed to materialise.

If Brexit doesn't happen, I'll probably never bother voting again. What would be the point? That said, labels like 'remoaner' are not helpful. The country is horribly divided - as was evident by the surprise shown in many circles that the masses would really vote for Brexit - and anything that deepens those divisions is a bad idea.

As for all the war-and-peace issues, has anyone mentioned NATO? This is far more significant than the EU in military terms, since it includes the USA, though when Trump takes over God knows what will happen.

And (pedant alert): The Government will have free reign to do exactly what it wants.
If that's a quote from the crowdfunding guff, they need to up their literacy level. Free rein, FFS.

If Brexit doesn't happen, I'll probably never bother voting again.

You're well educated but don't understand that a (non-binding) referendum isn't a vote?

You're well educated but don't understand that a (non-binding) referendum isn't a vote

The majority of parliment voted to back it.

It's 100% happening by the end of march. There is no doubt about that. There is no stopping that, it's done.

This campagin isn't about stopping it.

Even the Supreme Court President can't overturn it now. It's happening.

This is asking for the people to vote and question on what to keep and what to give up, what to comprimise on and so fourth.

Lawyers are now trying to make A50 reversible. In short, they don't know.
My impression is that, as often happens, once someone tries to enact a law, what seems to be clear on paper, doesn't always translate to being clear in practice.

Why the keen Brexiteers don't want to make things as watertight as possible is beyond me.

The crowdfunding appeal has reached its £70k target

Good that we live in a democracy where legal challenges are allowed.

You're well educated but don't understand that a (non-binding) referendum isn't a vote?
The referendum was advertised as 'your chance to decide your future and that of the United Kingdom'. The actual leaflet delivered to all households said 'This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.'

So, yuh, I voted in a referendum which seemed to be binding. And now, since the masses made the 'wrong' decision, magically this referendum is not binding. It's probably the most important vote I've ever cast in my life, so if it turns out that I, and millions of others, were deceived by the government, do please explain to me what I should ever bother trotting round the ballot box again if I'm only allowed to a) vote on things that don't matter or b) for what will happen anyway.

And yes, I am well-educated. The at the end of your post does rather sum up the attitude of some Remain voters, who can't seem to believe that some of their intellectual peers might disagree with them.

Slightly shocked at the number of people saying they knew exactly what they were voting for and how everything was perfectly clear.

Maybe one of them can tell me what is going to happen after we leave the EU? What relationship will we have with the EU and the rest of the world? How will it affect our economy? What about immigration?

I don't mind admitting that I am clueless (as our leaders seem to be) about what is going to happen.

Maybe one of them can tell me what is going to happen after we leave the EU? What relationship will we have with the EU and the rest of the world? How will it affect our economy? What about immigration?

And by the same token perhaps one of the Remain side could tell us wha would happen if we'd decided to stay. Even Clegg was clueless that an EU army was in the offing never mind the public being informed about anything in advance by the unelected EU leaders.

Even the Supreme Court President can't overturn it now. It's happening.

You realise that's not true don't you?

The Government will implement what you decide

The UK will leave the EU. But what relationship do we have with it afterwards?

Who decides that?

The decision was to leave the EU. Just like people divorce. That's the decision.

But 'what access to the kids, who gets the house, what maintenance shall we pay, what about Christmas, what kind of relationship shall we have, shall we be friends etc.." - who gets to decide that?

If that is the question pollsters are asking then its very bias, so the results mean nothing.

Do you only listen to polls when they give you the answer you want to hear?

It's biased, btw. Bias is a noun. Biased is the corresponding adjective.

The UK will leave the EU. But what relationship do we have with it afterwards?

Who decides that?

Indeed. But all this 'legal action to stop Brexit' BS is making me doubt that some people have got to grips with the idea of democracy.

It's not legal action to stop Brexit though.

Where is the evidence that controlling our own boarders means we have to accept a significant financial hit

Staggering when you read that ^ we were ever put in this position in the first place. We cannot control our own borders.

Agree with kaiji

And yes some randoms want to stop Brexit.

But thats nothing to do with this petition

"The Government will implement what you decide"

The government was also elected on a manifesto promise to stay in the single market. And the referendum was agreed to in the first place on the basis that it would be advisory.

And yes some randoms want to stop Brexit

But some random has caused this case in the supreme court, how many randoms will launch actions that halt everything? I mean I don't mind the current one as it stands as long as it remains contained but there is a risk it won't.

But some random has caused this case in the supreme court

The Supreme Court case has NOTHING to do with stopping Brexit.

Do you want a brexit that leaves the UK government open to legal action?

"The Government will implement what you decide", didn't come with a time frame, unless it's written in invisible ink. "The Government will implement UKIP's agenda" isn't what I voted upon either - either in the Referendum or the 2015 election.