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[surferjet]

That's very clear.

Wasn't on the ballot paper though.

*Bearbehind

I agree no one on here can shape Brexit in anyway but I still simply can't comprehend how anyone voted for something when they had absolutely no idea how it would turn out and are not in the least bit bothered by that fact*

I'm sorry for your loss and devastation but I find it shocking that you were happy to be sleepwalked into an EU Superstate. There was no plan laid out before the British public just a continual erosion of our sovereignty, economic independence and National Identity. I was not happy with that and am absolutely staggered that you cannot and continue to refuse to see what a problem that was not just for me but for 17 million people. Are you not bothered by that? Do you not care?

What a load of waffle infinite. You sound like BJ on the campaign trail. It's all meaningless sound bites unless you can back your comments up.

Please give us examples of how each of the following was being eroded

• sovereignty
• economic independence
• national identity

And, most importantly, how that will change by leaving the EU

I'll give you an example. On these very threads remainers were saying that they didn't identify as British but as 'European' - they wanted to remain in the EU to carry on feeling that way.
These people have no national identity.

I don't understand why it would be a problem for you to co-exist with people who "feel European". It surely doesn't affect your national identity?

Our national identity is being eroded if millions of people living here would rather identify as European than British - how you don't get that I don't know?

surfer, that is pretty pathetic. In fact it's one of the most pathetic things I've heard to support Leave. Narrow minded doesn't begin to cover it.

Leaving the EU doesn't change the continent we are part of so people can still 'feel' as European as they like in or out of the EU

Sounds like mind control to me. We all think the same, feel the same, are the same. Dangerous times and ironic coming from people who complain of a "EU superstate".

Brexit has made me feel more European.

That is amazing surfer. I can honestly say that it would never occur to me to feel that my own British identity was threatened by other people feeling European, so no I don't get it.

And what now? Those millions who apparently feel European, are going to do what? Drop their identity and knuckle down to being British (or whatever is left of Britain if we lose Scotland and/or NI)? I don't see how this provides any benefit whatsoever to anyone else.

I've never felt European in my life, I identify as British & I'm proud to do so.
People can identify as what they like, but eating a cake in Patisserie Valerie doesn't make you French.

You are living in the grey, boring, dull, UK.
If it makes you feel more glamorous identifying as European carry on.

Well thanks for that. But you just said:

"Our national identity is being eroded if millions of people living here would rather identify as European than British "

So which is it?

Or do you just want to see an end to Patisserie Valeries on every high street? I could agree with you on that one. Not sure they are eroding our national identity though.

People can identify as what they like, but eating a cake in Patisserie Valerie doesn't make you French.

I'm a dual national, albeit not French

You are living in the grey, boring, dull, UK.

I'm looking out the window at blue skies and the wonderful, snowy British countryside

If it makes you feel more glamorous identifying as European carry on.

No, it makes me feel progressive, inclusive and united.

So, now the EU are admitting they will request access to the city of London for all 27 EU states, remainers will be shocked to hear this as the believed the fear story's about the city moving to europe, the fact is that Europe cannot ban London, or any other country from clearing the euro as it would mean EU countries could not access financial markets outside of the euro and that would be a disaster. Yesterday was full of good news for Brexit Britain.

www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/13/eu-negotiator-wants-special-deal-over-access-to-city-post-brexit

So, now the EU are admitting they will request access to the city of London for all 27 EU states

While that's probably the best bit of news I've heard for the last 6 months, I think we need to consider what it means from a practical point of view. For example, is such an arrangement even possible if EU law doesn't apply equally to the UK?

That's an honest question, I'm not meaning to be negative at all.

Europe will want access to the city, our security and intelligence services, our military to protect the eastern countries and maintain the rights to keep their 100 Billion trade deficit with us, what's in this for us? Amazing that we paid about 10billion net to be part of this club last year and set to grow this year, any wonder the EU is furious with us leaving? If we were leaving great benefits they would surly just wave and laugh, it's very telling that people must be punished if they give up on the benefits of Europe lol.

So, now the EU are admitting they will request access to the city of London for all 27 EU states

Damn those metropolitan elites!

Came across this, randomly, whilst clicking around off various links posted on the Westminster thread:

https://semipartisansam.com/tag/pete-north/

It's about the 'citizen of the world/citizen of Europe' soundbites.

Some extracts:

So you can successfully get smashed in Lisbon, Dublin, Stockholm and Munich? Congratulations, Mr. Citizen of the World. What do you want, a medal? Now go try to strike up a conversation with someone from your own country but from a different social class or region. Try going for a night out in Harlow or Wolverhampton or Preston. Your non-prescription hipster spectacles and quirky denim dungarees might buy you immediate entry to the trendy coffee shops of Amsterdam or the bars of Barcelona, but they’ll get you nowhere in Stoke-on-Trent.

For a start, the vast, vast majority of these people are such poor citizens of their own countries that they would feel adrift and culture-shocked, as though in a foreign land, if you lifted them from their home city and moved them to a smaller town thirty miles down the road.

There is nothing particularly noble or praiseworthy about overcoming a language barrier to work and make friends with other people just like you who happen to live in other countries – which describes the vast majority of those people now tearfully painting the EU flag on their cheeks at anti-Brexit demonstrations and angrily declaring themselves “citizens of the world”.

happy to be sleepwalked into an EU Superstate. There was no plan laid out before the British public just a continual erosion of our sovereignty, economic independence and National Identity

I couldn't agree more.

Narrow minded doesn't begin to cover it
But Bear every sentence written by a leaver on here you are determined to be rude about, and derogatory about. I honestly don't feel its healthy.

^^ Thanks Semi - great post and so very true. Very very true.

elf, I'm not determined to be derogatory at all, it's just what is being posted is such a load of twaddle it warrants nothing else.

"There is nothing particularly noble or praiseworthy about overcoming a language barrier to work and make friends with other people just like you who happen to live in other countries"

Who claimed it was noble or praiseworthy?

There is nothing particularly noble or praiseworthy about overcoming a language barrier to work and make friends with other people just like you who happen to live in other countries

Yeah because education, wanting to better yourself and make the most from what life has to offer is so overrated. What we should do is all wallow in our own shit.

Here's an idea why don't we question why domestic government policy has isolated the "left behinds" rather than engaging in the politics of envy.

Yes. The grotesque inequality we have in this country is a result of government policy. It has nothing to do with EU membership. And it certainly has nothing to do with people choosing to live and work outside the country of their birth.