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People didn't vote remain because they were happy with the government or with government policy. They voted remain because they thought our problems would be compounded, not solved, by relinquishing membership of the EU.

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Simply saying 'it means out' - as SemiPermanent has - really suggests that there are Brexit voters who are totally indifferent to the sort of deal the UK ends up with and couldn't care less about the future of EU migrants in this country, the impact on UK residents in the EU, the impact on UK business etc. etc., so long as a principle is served. This is the sort of uncritical thinking that remain voters will be protesting against when they march in March.

Agreed brexshit. I've been saying for a while how disturbing it is that there are so many Leavers for whom this is simply about the badge of leaving and nothing else is even on their radar.

Brexshit, you may want to watch the non-edited snippets from the Open Britain link you posted.....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UHzmCHcM7cAA*

Simply saying 'it means out' - as SemiPermanent has - really suggests that there are Brexit voters who are totally indifferent to the sort of deal the UK ends up with and couldn't care less about the future of EU migrants in this country, the impact on UK residents in the EU, the impact on UK business etc. etc., so long as a principle is served. This is the sort of uncritical thinking that remain voters will be protesting against when they march in March.

Not at all. Just heartily bored with the same repetitive Questioning is all.

Remainers are heartily bored of Leavers saying they're heartily bored of questioning.

A discussion is usually a series of questions and answers in response to comments

If you make ridiculous comments like 'it means out' then people will ask questions.

Surely you do have a more comprehensive view than 'it means out'?

As I'm not anything remotely to do with Brexit negotiations or development, I am unable to say what Brexit will look like.

I do know however, that unremitting interrogation sessions by anonymous posters on an Internet forum is not going to shape Brexit in any way.

When we know what it will look like, we will know - anything else is just speculation & best guess at this point.

They voted remain because they thought our problems would be compounded, not solved, by relinquishing membership of the EU

I do feel that some remain voters thought it was a right left issue and possibly voted remain thinking it was a leftie thing to do but the hard core left have 95% voted leave. Along with a huge amount of Labour voters. I feel some remainers felt it was necessary to cling to the EU to keep the tories in check which I find ridiculous.

I agree no one on here can shape Brexit in anyway but I still simply can't comprehend how anyone voted for something when they had absolutely no idea how it would turn out and are not in the least bit bothered by that fact.

How is the EU going to turn out?

I do feel that some remain voters thought it was a right left issue and possibly voted remain thinking it was a leftie thing to do but the hard core left have 95% voted leave. Along with a huge amount of Labour voters. I feel some remainers felt it was necessary to cling to the EU to keep the tories in check which I find ridiculous

According to the Lord Ashcroft Brexit poll:

A majority of those who backed the Conservative in 2015 voted to leave the EU (58%), as did more than 19 out of 20 UKIP supporters. Nearly two thirds of Labour and SNP voters (63% and 64%), seven in ten Liberal Democrats and three quarters of Greens, voted to remain.

lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/

And:

For remain voters, the single most important reason for their decision was that “the risks of voting to leave the EU looked too great when it came to things like the economy, jobs and prices” (43%). Just over three in ten (31%) reasoned that remaining would mean the UK having “the best of both worlds”, having access to the EU single market without Schengen or the euro. Just under one in five (17%) said their main reason was that the UK would “become more isolated from its friends and neighbours”, and fewer than one in ten (9%) said it was “a strong attachment to the EU and its shared history, culture and traditions.”

Which suggests that Remainers were pragmatic in their decision rather than any starry eyed view of the EU project.

If you think the EU will break up anyway, what is the point in Leaving?

Brexit will cost a fortune and take years.

If the EU fails, we won't escape the fall out, in or out.

Bear - how can you live and take any move in life - even one foot after another on a pavement with that sort of thought process? None of us know how anything in life will turn out - like for instance the EU.

When people voted to be in EU many decades ago - they did not vote for what it is today did they. It has changed beyond all recognition from an economical business union into a political and social union. How it got that far down the road before a vote was called is beyond me.

Where was the plan then, when all this was going on, and we had ever closer union going on?

Why would you jump off a sinking ship?
Same thing.

I think the EU is going to sink - I'd rather jump now and start swimming, rather than waiting until the ship goes down & everyone's scrambling & stampeding for the the lifeboats.

(My post was in answer to Bear btw)

Bear there is a race on right now to leave the Euro, a number of countries are trying to extract themselves from it - Italy being first because who ever gets out first will have the advantage.

“become more isolated from its friends and neighbours”, and fewer than one in ten (9%) said it was “a strong attachment to the EU and its shared history, culture and traditions

When I read stuff like that ^^ it does make me question what some people thought they were voting for. ie - to leave the ever closer merger between us and 27 other countries into one large BLOB, or literally pick the UK up and move it geographically elsewhere. To somewhere remote like New Zealand.

who ever gets out first will have the advantage.

Why?

It's always better to be pro-active, than to be re-active.

Its always better to be pro-active, than to be re-active.

I totally agree which is why I don't understand why you'd happy we are now being completely reactive on account of the fact no one was proactive enough to actually have a plan.

and where was the EU plan bear the one that said - you will be part of ever closer union back in the time of the first vote? where was the plan to deal with the threats and issues and troubles the EU now faces? I believe Junkers plan was to offer free student inter rail passes or something/??

I bet Greece is asking that exact question as it begs the EU for 445 staff to help process migrants and it receives - 45 Where is the plan oh Great Eu, the plan the plan the plan .

It's very telling that nearly every Leaver poster on this thread these days resorts to sarcasm when the rhetoric runs out.

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My impression was that part of the plan was to vote in governments that would represent our best interest in the EU, part of the plan was to say 'no' to things that we really didnt want to do

Like joining the euro

And 'yes' to stuff that we wanted to do or didnt mind doing

And i thought the plan was to retain our right to veto stuff , which we did

I really dont give a shit about this

We voted out and now we are going out (wait...that sounds like a chat up line) but i am a little tired of the "leave had no plan but neither did remain" rhetoric

Most people who voted remain didnt need a plan...because 'no change' is the plan

Some of Scotland wanted to leave the uk...they produced a plan of what they wanted to do or gain. Why didnt we have a plan to leave the eu

Bear - how can you live and take any move in life - even one foot after another on a pavement with that sort of thought process? None of us know how anything in life will turn out - like for instance the EU

And this can just as easily be turned around to the opposite side

Anyway, i know this is the pub so all round (bear is paying)

Out means exactly that.....out!
Out of the single market as well as everything else. Definitely out of freedom of movement.