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Westministenders. For God sake Boris, is that the best plan you can come up with?

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RedToothBrush · 30/11/2016 10:25

Its now five months from the referendum. Plans for leaving should be well advanced by now. Shouldn't they? We should have got past this ridiculous idea that we can have our cake and eat it. Yet the plan is a secret, well apart from when the EU leak things to the press or junior ministers let their underlings carry their notes for them.

A photo taken this week outside Downing Street, suggests that the ‘Have Cake And Eat It’ Plan really is seriously being considered by the government. This plan is 'clear' it has been spelt out many times by the government and yet no one has a fucking clue what it is apart from a car crash of utter nonsense, wishful thinking and fingers in the ears. Its so clear that Theresa May has admitted she is losing sleep over it, and has faith that God will steer us through via her moral compass (which I suspect to have been left on top of a rather large electro-magnet given her track record so far)

Still this, however, seems to be better than the ‘Fuck You’ Plan (or should that be 'Fuck EU') that is official UKIP policy and is to ignore a50 and leave the EU unilaterally. And possibly illegally, so no one will ever want to make an international agreement with the UK.

And this, is still at least better than ‘We Have No’ Plan that Labour have.

Other suggested plans are:
The ‘Lets Leave the UK and Screw Ourselves Another Way’ Plan as supported by the SNP which the majority of Scots seem to be against
The Welsh are quietly cultivating the ‘Shh Nobody Mention We Voted Leave But Are Now Going to be Difficult’ Plan as they suddenly realise they are about to be shafted financially and might lose the Welsh Assembly in the process.
NI might still go down the ‘Lets Unify Ireland and Start Another Chapter in Violence’ Plan though, the alternative might well be the ‘Lets Stay in the Union and Start Another Chapter in Violence’ Plan anyway, so they are screwed due to the immense thoughtfulness of the English.
Meanwhile the Lib Dems are all about the ‘Lets Just Not Do This and Instead Risk a Revolt’ Plan.

If anyone does actually have a coherent plan, then there are lots of parties who would love to hear from you.

Lets be honest about the secrecy though. Its not about the EU knowing our plans. They already know what all our options are, or more to the point, aren't. The government want to keep it out of parliament because they want to control it, and because they don't want the press to know. They do not want transparency, as they are so weak and so fearful that they will be shown up for what they are, even when there is no opposition.

So we are screwed. Unless somehow someone comes to their senses and puts it to the EU that a50 isn’t fit for purpose and that a new treaty must be done to respect the democratic will of the people and the EU let us go down that route (Hey didn’t I say that months ago?).

Tomorrow we have the completely pointless and costly vanity by-election for Zac Goldsmith. The referendum about Heathrow and not at all about Brexit. Latest betting 2/7 on Goldsmith and 5/2 on the Lib Dems. I think Goldsmith with his good looks will just sneak it, unless turnout is really low. But it will be close.

Sunday we have the Italian Referendum, which some have suggested would the Italian Bank Melt Down (and start of a new Eurozone Crisis) though many here say this fear is massively over stated through Brexit tinted spectacles. Sunday also sees the Austria Presidential Election Re-run with the Far Right Candidate currently looking like he has the slight edge.

A50. The Supreme Court case starts next week. Scotland say they have a veto. Wales say they are worried about the Devolution Problem. NI still might have their defeat in the High Court overturned and there is the Good Friday agreement. The Supreme Court might insist that the Great Repeal Act might need to be passed before we can invoke a50. And the plan if the government lose is merely a 3 line Bill which they want to rush through in 5 days no one would dare defy. Well except the Lib Dems are already saying they want amendments to ensure parliamentary scrutiny and what is the point of the Lords if they don't. So there is a fair old chance that if the government loses given the wider scope of the Supreme Court Case, a 3 line bill simply won’t cover everything it needs to.

We still don’t know if the ECJ might get involved. It seems the Republic of Ireland, might have a say in that too. An ECJ referral would mean a 4 to 8 month delay, even with the sensitivity and the importance of the case.

Don’t forget if you were planning on going/worried about it the 100,000 March on the Supreme Court is off. Due to not being planned in the first place although Leave.Eu will tell you different.

Speaking of the Great Repeal Act. This is supposed to be started in May. This would give it less than two years to be ready before we left the EU. Yet it has a load of hurdles to leap in its sheer complexity, and there is a real danger this will not be long enough. If not done correctly it has the potential to mean the legal system would “fall over”. This is basically the legal equivalent of when you mean yourself in a time travelling sci-fi creating a paradox which threatens the very existence of time itself.

A127. Another treaty, another challenge? Possibly, but maybe only a way to bargain for the EEA rather than something more. But it just shows the legal headache Brexit is. We still could end up in the ECJ on any number of other issues – not just a50. You know this legal headache the government is ignoring by having no lawyer in the Brexit Cabinet, and UKIP are just plan delusional about.

Anyway UKIP have a new leader. Paul Nuttalls. (sic – see Stuart Lee). He wants to privatise the NHS though he denies having said it either on camera or on his blog. Everytime anyone says ‘Paul Nuttalls to you, remember to say ‘Oh the one who wants to privatise the NHS?’ Just to make sure everyone is away that he wants to privatise the NHS. Repeat Ad nauseam. Hell this is what Labour are going to be doing, as they are bloody terrified. Why? Simple. He will, of course, be hugely popular despite this cos he’s got the right accent and says the ‘right things’. By ‘right things’ I mean cos he spouts utter bollocks. Which probably means he’s also electable seeing as utter bollocks is now political currency. Plus Labour are rather lacking in any policies, so utter bollocks policies easily fill the void.

Talking of utter bollocks, I haven’t mentioned Trump yet. The Greens have requested a recount and are supported by the Democrats, though they say they haven’t found anything dubious themselves yet. Trump says it’s a scam. Goebbels once said when telling the Big Lie accuse your opposition of what you are guilty of yourself, so I'm not betting either way given that is the political strategy Trump has employed with gusto. I dread to think of the mess that would cause if the recount came out in favour of Clinton.

So another couple of fun weeks on the cards, which will have you reaching for the gin and wondering if there is anyone left alive who actually gives a toss about what happens to real people and isn’t prepared to commit economic and democratic suicide.

Only another month to go before the 2016 Repeal Act comes into force. 2017 looks smashing.
Shamelessly stolen from David Allen Green

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Gumpendorf · 02/12/2016 02:06

He's messed up big time. He really didn't think through the politics of this by election.

squoosh · 02/12/2016 02:06

Well done Olney. Well done Lib Dems!

RedToothBrush · 02/12/2016 02:07

Britain Elects @britainelects
Liberal Democrat GAIN Richmond Park from Conservative.

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squoosh · 02/12/2016 02:08

Does this make Olney the only current female Lib Dem MP?

RedToothBrush · 02/12/2016 02:09

Yes she is only woman lib dem mp. It's worth staying up until 2am just to see goldsmith's face.

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RedToothBrush · 02/12/2016 02:10

21.7% swing

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RedToothBrush · 02/12/2016 02:14

1872 majority.

Lab got 1515. They lost deposit.

Olney 20510. Goldsmith 18638.

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Butterymuffin · 02/12/2016 02:16

Labour continue to be in all sorts of trouble. Imagining May's face when she hears about this result, though.

joangray38 · 02/12/2016 02:19

As Claig would say - the people have spoken! So pleased for the lib dems and it shows that parties can work together when they want

squoosh · 02/12/2016 02:26

Pro Remain Tories will now be putting more pressure on May. Continue talking about hard Brexit and you will haemorrhage Remain Tory voters to the Lib Dems.

Gumpendorf · 02/12/2016 02:29

That fight could break the Tories, squoosh. Hmmmm...

Mistigri · 02/12/2016 05:05

Some good news to wake up to for once. One in the eye for racism and isolationism.

I'm impressed so many of you stayed up for a by-election!

AmberEars · 02/12/2016 05:24

So pleased to wake up to this result Smile

AmberEars · 02/12/2016 05:25

I didn't help with the canvassing but I did donate money to the Lib Dem campaign.

rosesandwreaths · 02/12/2016 05:27

Great great news to wake up to Thanks Thanks Thanks Sarah Olney Smile.

mathanxiety · 02/12/2016 05:46

From the previous thread:
www.joe.ie/news/uk-considering-moving-their-border-to-include-republic-of-ireland-says-arlene-foster/569065

Arlene Foster says the UK is considering moving its border to include the Republic, as a way to 'protect the two islands against terrorism.'

Northern Ireland's First Minister was keen to stress that the government in the Republic were not yet in negotiations, but were merely discussing it with their British and Northern Ireland counterparts.

Anyone else wondering if Arlene Foster has spent time in Albania lately?

Coming hot on the heels of the Welsh minister suggesting Ireland could pay for the motorway, I am getting an impression of people who have lost touch with reality (and I am possibly being generous in implying that they ever had a grip on reality in the first place.)

I think there are many people on the island of Ireland who have a slightly different perspective on the matter of borders from that of Arlene Foster and whose bright ideas on security and other vital matters involve membership of the EU for the whole island.

mathanxiety · 02/12/2016 05:48

That is an impressive swing to the LibDems.

BestIsWest · 02/12/2016 06:02

Great news about Richmond. What a fantastic result.

BestIsWest · 02/12/2016 06:07

Hang on...

I enjoyed portillo putting his hands on balls hips and congoing out the studio

What?

BestIsWest · 02/12/2016 06:10

Not a Welsh minister math, UKIP are opposition, just an assembly member.

Motheroffourdragons · 02/12/2016 06:27

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Marmitelover55 · 02/12/2016 06:28

Fantastic news - well done Lib Dems Smile

Unicornsarelovely · 02/12/2016 06:33

Fantastic news at Richmond. We'll find to all of you who campaigned.

I hope there are a few conservative MPs feeling s bit nervous right now (perhaps Nicola Blackwood will reply to my letter now!)

merrymouse · 02/12/2016 06:41

Well done Richmond Park!!!!!!!!!

You did it! FlowersFlowers to the RP people on the thread. lala, the leaflets worked!

MirabelleTree · 02/12/2016 06:53

That makes a change waking up to something I wanted to happen!