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Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.

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RedToothBrush · 21/11/2016 11:17

Bloody hell where are we up to?

Trump is preparing for the White House. He has refused to give up his assets which will be a conflict of interest and maybe lead to corruption. He has just settled a fraud case out of court. One of the cases of illegal sexual behaviour has collapsed after the claimant was too afraid to proceed. His VP believes in stopping all abortions by any means necessary and beliefs in gay conversion therapy. He has appointed a white supremacist as his chief strategist. His attorney general is regarded as amnesty’s biggest enemy opposing just about all human rights bills as a senator. He has also been dogged by accusations of racism. His national security advisor supports torture techniques such as water boarding. These three appointments have been greeted with delight from the former leader of the KKK.

Man of the people, Nigel Farage is trying to undermine Theresa May and sideline the government by cozying up to Trump in front of a couple of gold doors. His long term intentions look increasingly wider than purely being about the EU and ever more sinister in nature. He is in danger of doing a rather good Moseley impression.

Meanwhile rumours persist of voter suppression and dubious election practices in several key states, which are hugely undemocratic and Hillary Clinton wins the popular vote.

These are all things you are supposed to ignore, and are just expected to believe that everything is okay and that it’s the fault of liberals for standing up for discrimination and that this discrimination is none existent in the first place. Unless your Head of State is named Merkel.

But don’t worry, our Head of State is set to intervene though. The Queen is due to invite Trump to Windsor and is our secret weapon. Like Kate is our secret Brexit weapon. The cost of this intervention? A £396million refurb of Buck Pally. If she can pull that off, hell, let’s just send her to Brussels instead of Johnson. We might get some good will even if Philip drops a clanger about prosecco.

Back in the UK, the a50 saga drags on. The NI case now joins the ‘People’s Challenge’ at the Supreme Court, as well as new representation coming from both the Scottish Government and Welsh assembly. The government defence has changed, with one of the key changes has been to describe our rights under the EU as different by calling them “internationally established rights” and therefore different to domestic rights. They now say that they previously agreed with the claimant that a50 was irrevocable, their position is now that whether it is irrevocable or revocable is irrelevant to the strength of the case, effectively leaving it open for the devolved governments to pursue this line.

Previously it was assumed that this would require a referral to the ECJ. It is not necessarily the case. The situation is more complex as was outlined in a HoC Library Briefing. In this, it states a referral might be legal unavoidable as otherwise could be open to damages, might not be needed as the Supreme Court itself holds the power to decide whether a50 is reversible or not or that the Supreme Court does not have the authority to refer until after a50 has been triggered (which changes the dynamics of things).

Even then, it might prove to be legally possible but politically impossible to reverse, it might require a unanimous agreement to reverse by the other 27 which might enforce conditions in doing so.

Several senior Conservatives have called for the government to drop the appeal. Oliver Letwin, argues that it is might up the government up to being vetoed by the devolved assemblies, Dominic Grieve thinks its simply unlikely to win, and Edward Garnier has said it leaves “an opportunity for ill motivated people to attack the judiciary and misconstrue the motives of both parties to the lawsuit”.

One of the Supreme Court judges has been criticised for outlining the case to law students in a speech due to misreporting. In the speech she said that the referendum was not legally binding before going on to explain that an act of parliament to trigger a50 might not be enough and that the Great Repeal Act might have to be passed to replace the European Communities Act before we can notify the EU of our intent to leave if the defense case holds up before she went on to explain the government’s position. Another Supreme Court judge has been called to excuse himself after his wife made pro-EU tweets as obviously by nature of being married, is completely biased.

A former lord chief justice has now warned that Liz Truss has caused a “constitutional breakdown” and may have broken the law by failing to defend judges.

I’m putting money on the live video feed of the Supreme Court breaking due to ‘unprecedented demand’. This of course is a conspiracy.

At the same time a Three Line Bill for a50 is prepared to put to the HoC with the intention that the HoC and HoL would not ‘dare defy it’. Except the Lib Dem Lords are suggesting they see no reason why they shouldn’t table an amendment that ensures parliamentary scrutiny and have consulted a constitutional lawyer over the matter. The feeling is that, if they don’t do this, then what is the point of the HoL? At the same time, measures to restrict the powers of the HoL over statutory instruments have also been dropped. This seems to be a good thing given the timing, until you find out the apparent reason; they apparently will need these powers to enact the Great Repeal Act.

Elsewhere a who’s who of the right of the Tory Party – 60 MPs – back a call to leave the Single Market and the Customs Union, whilst Hammond regards himself as the last voice of sanity in the Cabinet over the realistic challenges of Brexit.

Hammond is to deliver his Autumn Statement this week, which looks set to include tax breaks to those earning over £43,000 which Shadow Chancellor McDonnell agrees with. McDonnell of course has been doing a lot of agreeing with the government lately. Austerity looks unlikely to end. The NHS seems likely to as well.

Work and Pensions Secretary, Damien Green has been wetting his pants at the exciting opportunity to expand the gig economy. The growth of which I think few will argue has been a hugely contributory factor to feelings that drove the Leave vote. More Tory MPs have rebelled on cuts to disability benefits calling them cruel.

Liz Truss has had a riot from prisoners and a revolt from the prison staff in addition to her problems

Amber Rudd has been forced to admit there are secret files on the miners’ strike and Orgreave clashes which she did not take into consideration whilst making the Orgreave decision. Is that the faint whiff of a cover up? She has also had the largest victims charity withdraw its support from the child abuse inquiry initiated by May.

Arron Banks has a plan to ‘Drain the Swamp’ of British politics from corruption. This seems to ignore the incredible antics of Liam Fox and instead focus on some of the most pro-remain voices of Clegg, Soubry and Lammy. This happens just as UKIP have been accused in a EU audit, which Farage does not think are carried out frequency enough, that it has spent hundreds of thousands of pounds improperly and may have to refund this. This is unfair. Apparently. In other UKIP’s news, the likely leader, Paul Nuttall, has said on the day that Aleppo’s last hospital was destroyed that he thinks Putin is behaving appropriately in Syria. Post-Truth indeed.

What we need is accountability for the national interest. Not any of this shit of blaming liberalism for the party political self interest of the last 40 years.

In light relief, Ed Balls might be popular at dancing but when it comes to leader of Labour he polls even worse than Corbyn. A fate only shared by Tony Blair. So it could be worse…

Anyway, I know there are few heads going down here, so I’m going to leave you with a link to a quote from Vaclav Havel:
www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/12/vacla-havel-index-on-censorship-ludvik-vakulik/
Vaclav Havel: "We became dissidents without actually knowing how"

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Gumpendorf · 22/11/2016 07:55

This is only the end of week 2. What is going to happen next?

The most scary thought yet.

Thanks for this thread and your amazing start of thread summaries, RTB.

Uppsala · 22/11/2016 08:01

*and his anti Muslim ideology

Lala, that's disconcerting, However the queen would surely not pander to Farage or Trump? I am not a royalist but I respect her somewhat for her public work which is why I am Hmm at this speedily arrange state visit.

Uppsala · 22/11/2016 08:04

"It is normal to invite US presidents to visit the UK, and when they do, they meet the head of state, the Queen." Understood, but why invite him so swiftly before he has even begun his term? It's a bit too keen. Quite different to Angela Merkel's congratulation speech, which was more assertive.

merrymouse · 22/11/2016 08:05

Uppsala, watch 'the Crown'. The Queen doesn't have a choice.

Uppsala · 22/11/2016 08:05

How soon after being elected was Obama invited?

IrenetheQuaint · 22/11/2016 08:09

I'm sure the Foreign Office is thrilled by this new approach to selecting potential ambassadors.

perhaps we could send Corbyn to be ambassador to Cuba while we're at it

merrymouse · 22/11/2016 08:12

I don't think they have arranged anything formally - they have just suggested that he would visit the UK in 2017. It would be unusual not to invite a US president to the UK at some point.

Also, remember the government is desperately trying to convince everyone that we don't need Europe because of all our special relationships. May is trying to regain the upper hand by suggesting that Trump will somehow give us a good deal because of the Queen. I suspect she thinks an early visit from Trump will make her look stronger.

Yes, I agree about Merkel.

merrymouse · 22/11/2016 08:15

How soon after being elected was Obama invited?

According to Wikipedia the March after his election.

Gumpendorf · 22/11/2016 08:16

Merkel has enough self confidence to keep herself at a distance. After telling our European neighbours where to go, we are in desperate need of allies and trading partners. We want to steal a march on Europe with Trump, and install ourselves as the favoured one. Hence the invitation from the Queen ( which is really an invite from the Govt).

It helps that many on the Tory right are Atlanticists and might secretly admire some of Trump's right wing policies.

It worries me that we might line up on the side of the Nazis alt right this time around. My OH tells me not to be dramatic and wait until the mid terms. I'm not sure we have that much time.

HummusForBreakfast · 22/11/2016 08:16

The worst imo is the fact it is widely reported as 'asking foreigners to show their passport so they can pay for care'
Which miss entirely the point too that foreigners who are living here will be entitled to 'free' paid for by their taxes like any other resident in Britain care.

In effect they are again laying a tihoick coat 'against all the foreigners' with the assumption they are all there to abuse the system....

Smellslikeoranges · 22/11/2016 08:19

So depressing. What an excellent update but it just makes me feel sad and angry.

Mistigri · 22/11/2016 08:29

Gump please don't use the term alt-right. They are neo nazis, or perhaps more cotrectly white supremacists in the American context (since although the white supremacist movement attracts many anti-Semites, it also appears to have some appeal to white Americans with a Jewish heritage).

TheBathroomSink · 22/11/2016 08:33

According to the BBC, he hasn't actually been invited yet, it's just being considered. I would imagine that a formal invitation is considered whenever a new President is elected, so it isn't really news, just the normal course of events. He will be invited at some point, I have no doubt, and the Queen will just have to get on with it, like she had to with the Chinese state visit recently.

Gumpendorf · 22/11/2016 08:37

Point taken mistigirl.

Mistigri · 22/11/2016 08:42

Sorry gump didn't mean to sound snippy. Just so fucking sick of people pandering to racists and crazies.

HyacinthFuckit · 22/11/2016 09:11

Not necessarily true that legal immigrants will have ID. If for example you have a pending application to renew your leave, which can take several months to be decided, your passport, visa and other papers will be with the Home Office. And as pointed out by others, you can have ID and still not be entitled. British passport included.

DoinItFine · 22/11/2016 09:30

I would imagine that a significant amount of healthcare tourism is carried out by British emigrants who come home for free NHS care they have no entitlement to but think Britishness means they should get no questions asked.

AnnieKenney · 22/11/2016 09:32

Not necessarily true that legal immigrants will have ID

Indeed. I was involved in a case of a legal immigrant who was pregnant and was refused care from three hospitals to which her GP referred on the grounds that she was a 'health tourist'. Her passport was with the Home Office for almost two years. She was unable to access antenatal care until she was 32 weeks. This was about six years ago - long before this latest news.

PattyPenguin · 22/11/2016 09:39

Thing is, the NHS is a residence-based service. Logically, therefore, you would have to prove habitual residence, not identity.

You can have a UK passport but still not be eligible for NHS treatment e.g. because you're been living abroad.

You can have an EEA or non-EEA passport and yet be eligible for NHS treatment because you are habitually resident in the UK.

merrymouse · 22/11/2016 10:05

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/30/theresa-may-lie-and-lied-to-become-prime-minister

  • Outside the EU have little choice but to take any deal offered. TM only believes in Brexit as far as it benefits her own political ambitions and has been cynically 'protecting' the NHS from foreigners for a while.
merrymouse · 22/11/2016 10:09

^Alex Taylor‏ @AlexTaylorNews
Le Canada demande à la GB de faire la queue derrière la Chine, les US et l'UE Goodbye Empire, Brexiteers !^

uk.businessinsider.com/canada-finance-minister-bill-morneau-post-brexit-trade-deal-2016-11

usuallydormant · 22/11/2016 10:13

Can the NHS not issue all those entitled to care a card that you have to show when you access medical care? Like the EHIC card I carry abroad that entitles me to access ? Is that considered equivalent to an ID card?

It doesn't have to have all your personal data on it, but you prove your identity to get it and then hand it over every time you go to the doctor. EU residents, including British EU migrants, should be showing their EHIC card anyway.

whatwouldrondo · 22/11/2016 10:27

It is not strictly true to say that US Ambassadors are career diplomats /civil servants though the current one is and only took up what is generally a four year post in February. In 1977 James Callaghan appointed his son in law Peter Jay a broadcast journalist and economist, a bit like Peston, who went on to be Robert Maxwells Chief of staff. He was only 40. During his time the embassy became rather racy and had an image of

www.theguardian.com/theobserver/2000/jun/18/life1.lifemagazine6?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Farage of course is neither cool, nor diplomatic

Apparently Trump's mother was obsessed with British pagentry and when she wasn't out being the centre of attention at parties she spent hours glued to the television watching it, and also ignoring him. You can see why he has a psychological need to put himself at the centre of it Hmm

whatwouldrondo · 22/11/2016 10:28

Sorry missed out the word "cool"

Peregrina · 22/11/2016 10:30

We used to have NHS cards. Have they been abolished? I still have one in the drawer, but apparently the number has now changed. It has name, NHS number and Doctor's name and surgery on it. Simple. The only time I can ever recall showing it was going to register with a new doctor and they used it to take the details and then a new card with the new Drs name arrived a few weeks later.

For those who are interested the original NHS cards took the number from the wartime identity cards, (which were still issued until 1952 - I remember seeing mine years ago but it's been lost, DH still has his).

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