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Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.

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RedToothBrush · 21/11/2016 11:17

Bloody hell where are we up to?

Trump is preparing for the White House. He has refused to give up his assets which will be a conflict of interest and maybe lead to corruption. He has just settled a fraud case out of court. One of the cases of illegal sexual behaviour has collapsed after the claimant was too afraid to proceed. His VP believes in stopping all abortions by any means necessary and beliefs in gay conversion therapy. He has appointed a white supremacist as his chief strategist. His attorney general is regarded as amnesty’s biggest enemy opposing just about all human rights bills as a senator. He has also been dogged by accusations of racism. His national security advisor supports torture techniques such as water boarding. These three appointments have been greeted with delight from the former leader of the KKK.

Man of the people, Nigel Farage is trying to undermine Theresa May and sideline the government by cozying up to Trump in front of a couple of gold doors. His long term intentions look increasingly wider than purely being about the EU and ever more sinister in nature. He is in danger of doing a rather good Moseley impression.

Meanwhile rumours persist of voter suppression and dubious election practices in several key states, which are hugely undemocratic and Hillary Clinton wins the popular vote.

These are all things you are supposed to ignore, and are just expected to believe that everything is okay and that it’s the fault of liberals for standing up for discrimination and that this discrimination is none existent in the first place. Unless your Head of State is named Merkel.

But don’t worry, our Head of State is set to intervene though. The Queen is due to invite Trump to Windsor and is our secret weapon. Like Kate is our secret Brexit weapon. The cost of this intervention? A £396million refurb of Buck Pally. If she can pull that off, hell, let’s just send her to Brussels instead of Johnson. We might get some good will even if Philip drops a clanger about prosecco.

Back in the UK, the a50 saga drags on. The NI case now joins the ‘People’s Challenge’ at the Supreme Court, as well as new representation coming from both the Scottish Government and Welsh assembly. The government defence has changed, with one of the key changes has been to describe our rights under the EU as different by calling them “internationally established rights” and therefore different to domestic rights. They now say that they previously agreed with the claimant that a50 was irrevocable, their position is now that whether it is irrevocable or revocable is irrelevant to the strength of the case, effectively leaving it open for the devolved governments to pursue this line.

Previously it was assumed that this would require a referral to the ECJ. It is not necessarily the case. The situation is more complex as was outlined in a HoC Library Briefing. In this, it states a referral might be legal unavoidable as otherwise could be open to damages, might not be needed as the Supreme Court itself holds the power to decide whether a50 is reversible or not or that the Supreme Court does not have the authority to refer until after a50 has been triggered (which changes the dynamics of things).

Even then, it might prove to be legally possible but politically impossible to reverse, it might require a unanimous agreement to reverse by the other 27 which might enforce conditions in doing so.

Several senior Conservatives have called for the government to drop the appeal. Oliver Letwin, argues that it is might up the government up to being vetoed by the devolved assemblies, Dominic Grieve thinks its simply unlikely to win, and Edward Garnier has said it leaves “an opportunity for ill motivated people to attack the judiciary and misconstrue the motives of both parties to the lawsuit”.

One of the Supreme Court judges has been criticised for outlining the case to law students in a speech due to misreporting. In the speech she said that the referendum was not legally binding before going on to explain that an act of parliament to trigger a50 might not be enough and that the Great Repeal Act might have to be passed to replace the European Communities Act before we can notify the EU of our intent to leave if the defense case holds up before she went on to explain the government’s position. Another Supreme Court judge has been called to excuse himself after his wife made pro-EU tweets as obviously by nature of being married, is completely biased.

A former lord chief justice has now warned that Liz Truss has caused a “constitutional breakdown” and may have broken the law by failing to defend judges.

I’m putting money on the live video feed of the Supreme Court breaking due to ‘unprecedented demand’. This of course is a conspiracy.

At the same time a Three Line Bill for a50 is prepared to put to the HoC with the intention that the HoC and HoL would not ‘dare defy it’. Except the Lib Dem Lords are suggesting they see no reason why they shouldn’t table an amendment that ensures parliamentary scrutiny and have consulted a constitutional lawyer over the matter. The feeling is that, if they don’t do this, then what is the point of the HoL? At the same time, measures to restrict the powers of the HoL over statutory instruments have also been dropped. This seems to be a good thing given the timing, until you find out the apparent reason; they apparently will need these powers to enact the Great Repeal Act.

Elsewhere a who’s who of the right of the Tory Party – 60 MPs – back a call to leave the Single Market and the Customs Union, whilst Hammond regards himself as the last voice of sanity in the Cabinet over the realistic challenges of Brexit.

Hammond is to deliver his Autumn Statement this week, which looks set to include tax breaks to those earning over £43,000 which Shadow Chancellor McDonnell agrees with. McDonnell of course has been doing a lot of agreeing with the government lately. Austerity looks unlikely to end. The NHS seems likely to as well.

Work and Pensions Secretary, Damien Green has been wetting his pants at the exciting opportunity to expand the gig economy. The growth of which I think few will argue has been a hugely contributory factor to feelings that drove the Leave vote. More Tory MPs have rebelled on cuts to disability benefits calling them cruel.

Liz Truss has had a riot from prisoners and a revolt from the prison staff in addition to her problems

Amber Rudd has been forced to admit there are secret files on the miners’ strike and Orgreave clashes which she did not take into consideration whilst making the Orgreave decision. Is that the faint whiff of a cover up? She has also had the largest victims charity withdraw its support from the child abuse inquiry initiated by May.

Arron Banks has a plan to ‘Drain the Swamp’ of British politics from corruption. This seems to ignore the incredible antics of Liam Fox and instead focus on some of the most pro-remain voices of Clegg, Soubry and Lammy. This happens just as UKIP have been accused in a EU audit, which Farage does not think are carried out frequency enough, that it has spent hundreds of thousands of pounds improperly and may have to refund this. This is unfair. Apparently. In other UKIP’s news, the likely leader, Paul Nuttall, has said on the day that Aleppo’s last hospital was destroyed that he thinks Putin is behaving appropriately in Syria. Post-Truth indeed.

What we need is accountability for the national interest. Not any of this shit of blaming liberalism for the party political self interest of the last 40 years.

In light relief, Ed Balls might be popular at dancing but when it comes to leader of Labour he polls even worse than Corbyn. A fate only shared by Tony Blair. So it could be worse…

Anyway, I know there are few heads going down here, so I’m going to leave you with a link to a quote from Vaclav Havel:
www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/12/vacla-havel-index-on-censorship-ludvik-vakulik/
Vaclav Havel: "We became dissidents without actually knowing how"

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Peregrina · 28/11/2016 16:44

Maybe Blair wasn't listening when God gave his advice? Unless he was the Old Testament God - he did a good line 'smiting' people.

Maybe Theresa May is also hard of hearing, when it comes to what God tells her to do? It seems like to me.

Peregrina · 28/11/2016 16:45

Not mocking practicing Christians BTW - I am one myself.

RedToothBrush · 28/11/2016 16:55

Ken Shabby ‏@MrKenShabby
To be fair to Theresa May, she has been misquoted. The reporter said "Just what is the plan for Brexit?" and she said, "God knows".

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RedToothBrush · 28/11/2016 18:22

You know when people are careless and carry notes that someone photographs? Well that. 1) photo 2) transcription being circulated on twitter.

Political Pictures ‏@PoliticalPics
is this the first insight into Brexit seen going into No10 from the Brexit/cabinet office women holding was with Mark Field MP ?

Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.
Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.
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RedToothBrush · 28/11/2016 18:25

So they DON'T want to do a transition deal.

That is utterly NUTS.

BEYOND NUTS.

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RedToothBrush · 28/11/2016 18:26

And it seems the plan is still quite literally:

"Have cake and eat it".

They have not moved beyond that yet.

Unbelievable.

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RedToothBrush · 28/11/2016 18:37

Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak
@PoliticalPics there's got to be a business in selling folders at the gates of Number 10 with you about....

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IrenetheQuaint · 28/11/2016 18:40

LOL at our official government position being 'have cake and eat it'. We are the laughing stock of the world.

Peregrina · 28/11/2016 18:55

What is ECB?

You would think that they had learnt by now to cover their papers up, unless revealing the paper is a deliberate ploy. Incidentally, who writes stuff by hand now? Who was the culprit holding the paper?

PattyPenguin · 28/11/2016 19:12

ECB is European Central Bank?

PattyPenguin · 28/11/2016 19:14

I think people still write notes by hand in meetings. I've been in discussions with civil servants where everyone, CS and external attendees, writes notes by hand.

Kaija · 28/11/2016 19:29

"So they DON'T want to do a transition deal. "

This is really scary if it's true.

SwedishEdith · 28/11/2016 19:40

"Except that isn't entirely balanced because Cheshire East and Cheshire West are not Merseyside. Liverpool itself had a huge Remain vote."

Neither is Warrington. I would be interested to see the breakdown in Sefton because that includes Bootle, which is hugely deprived. But then so are lots of areas that must be included in Liverpool.

SwedishEdith · 28/11/2016 19:45

If those notes are real, presumably she's the minute-taker and, tbh, you do write down some of the gibberish people come out with knowing you'll tidy it up later. Have our cake and eat it is the UK's position though, so it's not really giving anything away. Actually, I'm now convinced the note-taker was exasperated at the meeting and is deliberately leaking them.

lalalonglegs · 28/11/2016 19:46

So our hopes rest on the Art 127 legislation hopefully meaning that we can't leave the single market without a fight?

RedToothBrush · 28/11/2016 19:50

www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/these-notes-might-reveal-the-governments-approach-to-brexit?utm_term=.dsAmoWGR7#.givjx4y7o

BuzzFeed News understands the woman carrying the notes is Julia Dockerill, a Conservative councillor in Tower Hamlets who also works as chief of staff to Tory MP Mark Field.

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SwedishEdith · 28/11/2016 19:56

Interesting - Mark Field was a Remainer

Peregrina · 28/11/2016 20:02

Checking out Mark Field, I see he was a Remain voter - no surprise I suppose, because he represents the Cities of London and Westminster. It does lead me to think that the leak might be deliberate.

What was that about secret rooms so that the details couldn't leak out? Of course, it could all be a bluff - as practiced during WW2 - leak some disinformation to the other side, with just enough truth to be believable.

TheBathroomSink · 28/11/2016 20:11

Surely they are just trolling the headline writers? It has to be.

There's probably some bad news coming out tomorrow that needs to not be on the front page.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 28/11/2016 20:13

Sefton voted to remain. Lab have a 28,000 majority in Bootle.

SwedishEdith · 28/11/2016 20:18

Doesn't Bootle have one of the lowest voter turnouts, usually? Would love to be a researcher in voting behaviour atm. Comparing Liverpool to other cities would be interesting (or not!) especially in view of the lack of Sun influence.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 28/11/2016 20:25

According to wiki 64% turnout in 2015. Liverpool is a staunch Labour city (including deprived areas), however IIRC Lib Dems made some in roads in 2010. The Tory policies of the 80's pretty much killed the Conservatives off in Liverpool - people haven't forgotten. In terms of Merseyside and the referendum I think St Helens/Knowlsey makes for a better case study.

GloriaGaynor · 28/11/2016 20:34

Those Brexit notes are so fucking sub-GCSE level it makes me despair.

SwedishEdith · 28/11/2016 20:37

Crosby was Lib Dem at one stage but I think the boundaries changed. And, of course, it was Shirley Williams's seat. Knowsley includes Kirkby which once had, of course, Robert Kilroy-Silk (Labour to UKIP).

jaws5 · 28/11/2016 20:40

The "leak" has to be deliberately surely? I carry notes, notebooks, books all the time, it seems a very unnatural position, open notebook facing outwards, while everything else are envelopes? I don't buy it, but if it's for real the whole thing is fittingly inept.