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Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.

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RedToothBrush · 21/11/2016 11:17

Bloody hell where are we up to?

Trump is preparing for the White House. He has refused to give up his assets which will be a conflict of interest and maybe lead to corruption. He has just settled a fraud case out of court. One of the cases of illegal sexual behaviour has collapsed after the claimant was too afraid to proceed. His VP believes in stopping all abortions by any means necessary and beliefs in gay conversion therapy. He has appointed a white supremacist as his chief strategist. His attorney general is regarded as amnesty’s biggest enemy opposing just about all human rights bills as a senator. He has also been dogged by accusations of racism. His national security advisor supports torture techniques such as water boarding. These three appointments have been greeted with delight from the former leader of the KKK.

Man of the people, Nigel Farage is trying to undermine Theresa May and sideline the government by cozying up to Trump in front of a couple of gold doors. His long term intentions look increasingly wider than purely being about the EU and ever more sinister in nature. He is in danger of doing a rather good Moseley impression.

Meanwhile rumours persist of voter suppression and dubious election practices in several key states, which are hugely undemocratic and Hillary Clinton wins the popular vote.

These are all things you are supposed to ignore, and are just expected to believe that everything is okay and that it’s the fault of liberals for standing up for discrimination and that this discrimination is none existent in the first place. Unless your Head of State is named Merkel.

But don’t worry, our Head of State is set to intervene though. The Queen is due to invite Trump to Windsor and is our secret weapon. Like Kate is our secret Brexit weapon. The cost of this intervention? A £396million refurb of Buck Pally. If she can pull that off, hell, let’s just send her to Brussels instead of Johnson. We might get some good will even if Philip drops a clanger about prosecco.

Back in the UK, the a50 saga drags on. The NI case now joins the ‘People’s Challenge’ at the Supreme Court, as well as new representation coming from both the Scottish Government and Welsh assembly. The government defence has changed, with one of the key changes has been to describe our rights under the EU as different by calling them “internationally established rights” and therefore different to domestic rights. They now say that they previously agreed with the claimant that a50 was irrevocable, their position is now that whether it is irrevocable or revocable is irrelevant to the strength of the case, effectively leaving it open for the devolved governments to pursue this line.

Previously it was assumed that this would require a referral to the ECJ. It is not necessarily the case. The situation is more complex as was outlined in a HoC Library Briefing. In this, it states a referral might be legal unavoidable as otherwise could be open to damages, might not be needed as the Supreme Court itself holds the power to decide whether a50 is reversible or not or that the Supreme Court does not have the authority to refer until after a50 has been triggered (which changes the dynamics of things).

Even then, it might prove to be legally possible but politically impossible to reverse, it might require a unanimous agreement to reverse by the other 27 which might enforce conditions in doing so.

Several senior Conservatives have called for the government to drop the appeal. Oliver Letwin, argues that it is might up the government up to being vetoed by the devolved assemblies, Dominic Grieve thinks its simply unlikely to win, and Edward Garnier has said it leaves “an opportunity for ill motivated people to attack the judiciary and misconstrue the motives of both parties to the lawsuit”.

One of the Supreme Court judges has been criticised for outlining the case to law students in a speech due to misreporting. In the speech she said that the referendum was not legally binding before going on to explain that an act of parliament to trigger a50 might not be enough and that the Great Repeal Act might have to be passed to replace the European Communities Act before we can notify the EU of our intent to leave if the defense case holds up before she went on to explain the government’s position. Another Supreme Court judge has been called to excuse himself after his wife made pro-EU tweets as obviously by nature of being married, is completely biased.

A former lord chief justice has now warned that Liz Truss has caused a “constitutional breakdown” and may have broken the law by failing to defend judges.

I’m putting money on the live video feed of the Supreme Court breaking due to ‘unprecedented demand’. This of course is a conspiracy.

At the same time a Three Line Bill for a50 is prepared to put to the HoC with the intention that the HoC and HoL would not ‘dare defy it’. Except the Lib Dem Lords are suggesting they see no reason why they shouldn’t table an amendment that ensures parliamentary scrutiny and have consulted a constitutional lawyer over the matter. The feeling is that, if they don’t do this, then what is the point of the HoL? At the same time, measures to restrict the powers of the HoL over statutory instruments have also been dropped. This seems to be a good thing given the timing, until you find out the apparent reason; they apparently will need these powers to enact the Great Repeal Act.

Elsewhere a who’s who of the right of the Tory Party – 60 MPs – back a call to leave the Single Market and the Customs Union, whilst Hammond regards himself as the last voice of sanity in the Cabinet over the realistic challenges of Brexit.

Hammond is to deliver his Autumn Statement this week, which looks set to include tax breaks to those earning over £43,000 which Shadow Chancellor McDonnell agrees with. McDonnell of course has been doing a lot of agreeing with the government lately. Austerity looks unlikely to end. The NHS seems likely to as well.

Work and Pensions Secretary, Damien Green has been wetting his pants at the exciting opportunity to expand the gig economy. The growth of which I think few will argue has been a hugely contributory factor to feelings that drove the Leave vote. More Tory MPs have rebelled on cuts to disability benefits calling them cruel.

Liz Truss has had a riot from prisoners and a revolt from the prison staff in addition to her problems

Amber Rudd has been forced to admit there are secret files on the miners’ strike and Orgreave clashes which she did not take into consideration whilst making the Orgreave decision. Is that the faint whiff of a cover up? She has also had the largest victims charity withdraw its support from the child abuse inquiry initiated by May.

Arron Banks has a plan to ‘Drain the Swamp’ of British politics from corruption. This seems to ignore the incredible antics of Liam Fox and instead focus on some of the most pro-remain voices of Clegg, Soubry and Lammy. This happens just as UKIP have been accused in a EU audit, which Farage does not think are carried out frequency enough, that it has spent hundreds of thousands of pounds improperly and may have to refund this. This is unfair. Apparently. In other UKIP’s news, the likely leader, Paul Nuttall, has said on the day that Aleppo’s last hospital was destroyed that he thinks Putin is behaving appropriately in Syria. Post-Truth indeed.

What we need is accountability for the national interest. Not any of this shit of blaming liberalism for the party political self interest of the last 40 years.

In light relief, Ed Balls might be popular at dancing but when it comes to leader of Labour he polls even worse than Corbyn. A fate only shared by Tony Blair. So it could be worse…

Anyway, I know there are few heads going down here, so I’m going to leave you with a link to a quote from Vaclav Havel:
www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/12/vacla-havel-index-on-censorship-ludvik-vakulik/
Vaclav Havel: "We became dissidents without actually knowing how"

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 28/11/2016 20:47

There's either dissent in the Tory ranks or they are trying to make it look like they are pushing ahead with Hard Brexit. On the plus side at least the notes weren't written in crayon.

jaws5 · 28/11/2016 20:51

woman we are huge fans of Stewart Lee in my house, and we've watched that particular sketch since it came out. I just can't believe that this guy Nuttel is now being spoken about as a contender, it's surreal. He was a joke character just the other day!

TheBathroomSink · 28/11/2016 20:52

On the plus side at least the notes weren't written in crayon

but think of the fun the papers could have had doing colour analysis!

SwedishEdith · 28/11/2016 20:58

Only a few months ago, Nuttall refused to stand because (he alleged) he was worried about threats to his family etc (playing the victim card a la Farage as a distraction). He was either lying or he's been pressurised to stand as the other contenders were useless. UKIP are basically positioning themselves clearly as the BNP in suits now.

jaws5 · 28/11/2016 21:07

We're sleepwalking towards fascism - it's always the case, it's never a decisive walk towards fascism, is it?

SwedishEdith · 28/11/2016 21:19

Nuttall stood as a Tory councillor in Sefton in 2002 and got 11.4% of the vote

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefton_Metropolitan_Borough_Council_election,_2002

woman12345 · 28/11/2016 21:22

Does any one have any estimates of how many seats ukip could potentially win in forth coming election, and how it would affect balance of power in parliament?
Is it assumed that next govt is ukip/ con one?.

jaws5 · 28/11/2016 21:48

Latest prediction from 8th November 2016 at Electoral Calculus CON 390, LAB 174
ukgeneralelection2020.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/latest-general-election-prediction-from.html

jaws5 · 28/11/2016 21:50

That's also Lib Dems 7, Ukip 0

missmoon · 28/11/2016 21:58

Lib dem vote falling? They will at the very least recapture Cambridge, possibly other seats...

woman12345 · 28/11/2016 21:58

thank you jaws5
yikes!

jaws5 · 28/11/2016 22:01

Lib dem vote falling? doesn't make sense to me at all, the way Labour are going... There are millions of Europhiles who want representation.

woman12345 · 28/11/2016 22:06

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/28/paul-nuttall-cant-drive-ukip-forward-wrestling-nigel-farage/
Can you imagine Farage retiring with green tea and sufi poetry to let Nuttall erect gallows in peace?
I would vote lib for 1st time ever if it would help get us back to relative peace.

Peregrina · 28/11/2016 22:35

As far as I am aware, LibDems are picking up Europhiles from both the Tories and Labour. It's not been reflected in the polls though.

iwanttoridemybicycle · 28/11/2016 22:52

I'd vote Lib too and never have before.

TheBathroomSink · 28/11/2016 23:48

Tomorrow's Sun has a list of what it reckons are the labour seats most vulnerable to ukip under Nuttall. My MP is on there, but they appear to be assuming that the boundaries will remain the same, because his seat is down to be scrapped.

I'd be happy to see the back of him because he's a terrible constituency mp, he still hasn't replied to my email in June but I don't want a ukip mp (I also didn't vote for him but as I've said before this place would elect a donkey wearing a red rosette).

I can see why they think this seat would go purple, but I'd also say we've had ukip councillors and they've all proved to be useless in one way or another and either got arrested or quit, so unless they can come up with a new candidate who doesn't have a history here it might not be so easy.

To an extent, this will also depend on what labour do - mp is high on the disloyalty list for momentum to replace!

Peregrina · 28/11/2016 23:58

I take it that the Sun is absolutely desperate to talk Labour down? I hope it does give Labour something of a wake up call though.

TheBathroomSink · 29/11/2016 00:12

I don't know, I can't read most of the article on my phone because of the bastarding sunbet ad that keeps floating over everything! I think they may have just picked the seats with the highest leave vote and limited majorities, looking at the list.
Neighbouring mp is also on the list, she's equally unloved by labour leadership, but people I know in her constituency say she's helpful and she does come across fairly well, so she might survive, it's hard to say. If ukip managed to find someone who looked and sounded 'Midlands ex-minister area old labour' she's probably a goner.

HesterThrale · 29/11/2016 06:43

So the visible handwritten notes leak. Is it:

  1. Worried becoming-more-doubtful MP going into meeting saying 'all this ridiculousness is not going to work, we are heading for disaster with these ideas...'?
  2. Govt plant trying to lead everyone off the real scent?
Or:
  1. 'This is really it - the plan - this is as far as we've got. And it doesn't look great - anyone got any better ideas'?
Figmentofmyimagination · 29/11/2016 08:29

I will never forget Nuttall on the Any Questions panel straight after the ref vote, answering an undergraduate who asked something like 'how will the vote to leave the EU improve my prospects?' His answer was 'now you will find out how it feels to live on a council estate and have no prospects'.

woman12345 · 29/11/2016 08:51

Good answer,he's very effective. I wish lib/lab were allowed to give straight answers too.

merrymouse · 29/11/2016 08:52

So first I saw this

mobile.twitter.com/BarristerSecret/status/803516456000520192

And then I saw this:

www.joe.co.uk/index.php/sport/england-assistant-manager-leaks-formation-team-carrying-notepad-france/65370

Is communication by notepad just a normal way of briefing the press these days?

Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.
TheNorthRemembers · 29/11/2016 08:58

I remember that episode

woman12345 · 29/11/2016 09:07

Looks that waymerry ; and people trust handwriting .