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Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.

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RedToothBrush · 21/11/2016 11:17

Bloody hell where are we up to?

Trump is preparing for the White House. He has refused to give up his assets which will be a conflict of interest and maybe lead to corruption. He has just settled a fraud case out of court. One of the cases of illegal sexual behaviour has collapsed after the claimant was too afraid to proceed. His VP believes in stopping all abortions by any means necessary and beliefs in gay conversion therapy. He has appointed a white supremacist as his chief strategist. His attorney general is regarded as amnesty’s biggest enemy opposing just about all human rights bills as a senator. He has also been dogged by accusations of racism. His national security advisor supports torture techniques such as water boarding. These three appointments have been greeted with delight from the former leader of the KKK.

Man of the people, Nigel Farage is trying to undermine Theresa May and sideline the government by cozying up to Trump in front of a couple of gold doors. His long term intentions look increasingly wider than purely being about the EU and ever more sinister in nature. He is in danger of doing a rather good Moseley impression.

Meanwhile rumours persist of voter suppression and dubious election practices in several key states, which are hugely undemocratic and Hillary Clinton wins the popular vote.

These are all things you are supposed to ignore, and are just expected to believe that everything is okay and that it’s the fault of liberals for standing up for discrimination and that this discrimination is none existent in the first place. Unless your Head of State is named Merkel.

But don’t worry, our Head of State is set to intervene though. The Queen is due to invite Trump to Windsor and is our secret weapon. Like Kate is our secret Brexit weapon. The cost of this intervention? A £396million refurb of Buck Pally. If she can pull that off, hell, let’s just send her to Brussels instead of Johnson. We might get some good will even if Philip drops a clanger about prosecco.

Back in the UK, the a50 saga drags on. The NI case now joins the ‘People’s Challenge’ at the Supreme Court, as well as new representation coming from both the Scottish Government and Welsh assembly. The government defence has changed, with one of the key changes has been to describe our rights under the EU as different by calling them “internationally established rights” and therefore different to domestic rights. They now say that they previously agreed with the claimant that a50 was irrevocable, their position is now that whether it is irrevocable or revocable is irrelevant to the strength of the case, effectively leaving it open for the devolved governments to pursue this line.

Previously it was assumed that this would require a referral to the ECJ. It is not necessarily the case. The situation is more complex as was outlined in a HoC Library Briefing. In this, it states a referral might be legal unavoidable as otherwise could be open to damages, might not be needed as the Supreme Court itself holds the power to decide whether a50 is reversible or not or that the Supreme Court does not have the authority to refer until after a50 has been triggered (which changes the dynamics of things).

Even then, it might prove to be legally possible but politically impossible to reverse, it might require a unanimous agreement to reverse by the other 27 which might enforce conditions in doing so.

Several senior Conservatives have called for the government to drop the appeal. Oliver Letwin, argues that it is might up the government up to being vetoed by the devolved assemblies, Dominic Grieve thinks its simply unlikely to win, and Edward Garnier has said it leaves “an opportunity for ill motivated people to attack the judiciary and misconstrue the motives of both parties to the lawsuit”.

One of the Supreme Court judges has been criticised for outlining the case to law students in a speech due to misreporting. In the speech she said that the referendum was not legally binding before going on to explain that an act of parliament to trigger a50 might not be enough and that the Great Repeal Act might have to be passed to replace the European Communities Act before we can notify the EU of our intent to leave if the defense case holds up before she went on to explain the government’s position. Another Supreme Court judge has been called to excuse himself after his wife made pro-EU tweets as obviously by nature of being married, is completely biased.

A former lord chief justice has now warned that Liz Truss has caused a “constitutional breakdown” and may have broken the law by failing to defend judges.

I’m putting money on the live video feed of the Supreme Court breaking due to ‘unprecedented demand’. This of course is a conspiracy.

At the same time a Three Line Bill for a50 is prepared to put to the HoC with the intention that the HoC and HoL would not ‘dare defy it’. Except the Lib Dem Lords are suggesting they see no reason why they shouldn’t table an amendment that ensures parliamentary scrutiny and have consulted a constitutional lawyer over the matter. The feeling is that, if they don’t do this, then what is the point of the HoL? At the same time, measures to restrict the powers of the HoL over statutory instruments have also been dropped. This seems to be a good thing given the timing, until you find out the apparent reason; they apparently will need these powers to enact the Great Repeal Act.

Elsewhere a who’s who of the right of the Tory Party – 60 MPs – back a call to leave the Single Market and the Customs Union, whilst Hammond regards himself as the last voice of sanity in the Cabinet over the realistic challenges of Brexit.

Hammond is to deliver his Autumn Statement this week, which looks set to include tax breaks to those earning over £43,000 which Shadow Chancellor McDonnell agrees with. McDonnell of course has been doing a lot of agreeing with the government lately. Austerity looks unlikely to end. The NHS seems likely to as well.

Work and Pensions Secretary, Damien Green has been wetting his pants at the exciting opportunity to expand the gig economy. The growth of which I think few will argue has been a hugely contributory factor to feelings that drove the Leave vote. More Tory MPs have rebelled on cuts to disability benefits calling them cruel.

Liz Truss has had a riot from prisoners and a revolt from the prison staff in addition to her problems

Amber Rudd has been forced to admit there are secret files on the miners’ strike and Orgreave clashes which she did not take into consideration whilst making the Orgreave decision. Is that the faint whiff of a cover up? She has also had the largest victims charity withdraw its support from the child abuse inquiry initiated by May.

Arron Banks has a plan to ‘Drain the Swamp’ of British politics from corruption. This seems to ignore the incredible antics of Liam Fox and instead focus on some of the most pro-remain voices of Clegg, Soubry and Lammy. This happens just as UKIP have been accused in a EU audit, which Farage does not think are carried out frequency enough, that it has spent hundreds of thousands of pounds improperly and may have to refund this. This is unfair. Apparently. In other UKIP’s news, the likely leader, Paul Nuttall, has said on the day that Aleppo’s last hospital was destroyed that he thinks Putin is behaving appropriately in Syria. Post-Truth indeed.

What we need is accountability for the national interest. Not any of this shit of blaming liberalism for the party political self interest of the last 40 years.

In light relief, Ed Balls might be popular at dancing but when it comes to leader of Labour he polls even worse than Corbyn. A fate only shared by Tony Blair. So it could be worse…

Anyway, I know there are few heads going down here, so I’m going to leave you with a link to a quote from Vaclav Havel:
www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/12/vacla-havel-index-on-censorship-ludvik-vakulik/
Vaclav Havel: "We became dissidents without actually knowing how"

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TheBathroomSink · 25/11/2016 18:03

informal - I believe lots of them do, yes.

merrymouse · 25/11/2016 18:04

But again, wouldn't bankers want to give TM a kick? I think this matters because if bankers in Richmond will vote Conservative, despite TM's stance on 'rootless elites', what hope is there for any Tory opposition to her plans?

prettybird · 25/11/2016 18:48

Here is Scotland's Lord Advocate's contribution to the WM Government's A50 Appeal to the Supreme Court.

http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0051/00510602.pdf

I've not read all 58 pages, but according to BBC Reporting Scotland, it includes mention of the Act of Union, the Claim of Right and the fact that the Scottish Parliament needs to be consulted as it affects rights of Scottish citizens and laws over which the Scottish Parliament has jurisdiction.

....all the things we have already mentioned. Wink

Melassa · 25/11/2016 18:59

Oh dear "elites" being slated again, this time from outre manche. Same old, same old. The devil and the deep blue sea spring to mind. Sad

woman12345 · 25/11/2016 19:34

We started to loose our freedoms due to the IRA and not Islamic terrorists.

lose

woman12345 · 25/11/2016 19:37

We started to loose our freedoms due to the IRA and not Islamic terrorists.

lose

woman12345 · 25/11/2016 20:01

But I dont understand why what hapened with the IRA isnt seen as a civil war in this country. It still feels like 'something far away that actually didnt really have any effect on us' rather than something happening IN the country.
Mary Poppins I agree
and look out for the unionists teaming up with the wannabe fascisti

woman12345 · 25/11/2016 20:07

mary poppins
Can someone explain me if those are really happening and if yes why we never hear about them?

It was described in court as a terrorist attack and MPs like Jess Phillips say they are scared to speak out, why hasn't COBRA met?
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/23/jo-cox-murder-mps-abuse-threats-female-democracy
update on where we are with english fascism:
www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/24/britains-far-right-in-2016-fractured-unpredictable-dispirited-and-violent

BigChocFrenzy · 25/11/2016 20:18

The same reason the Fail relegated the Jo Cox story to page 30:
the right wing are in charge and they don't feel any danger of being murdered by fascists - because ntbo, fascists target politicians on the left.

Some on the right may even be quietly happy that their opponents on the left are frightened into acquiescence on key issues.
Makes life much easier when the opposition has to keep worrying about being murdered.
Shame about democracy though.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/11/2016 20:25

Attacking experts / welcome to the era of the idiocracy:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/24/brexiteers-office-for-budget-responsibility

"If the facts seem to be at odds with Brexit, as the very carefully and conditionally expressed facts in the OBR report are, then in Brexiteer eyes the fault does not and could not possibly lie with Brexit, which is by definition beyond challenge, but with the facts – and in particular with those who report or believe the facts.

The Brexiteers are doing this because they can.
The only fact they believe in is the result of the referendum.
Nothing else matters to them. And, for now,
they command the arena in which every political argument is conducted, even if they do not command the argument."

A political viewpoint should never become like a religion.
Or who's supposed to be the Sky Fairy to save our souls - Farage ? Trump ?

whatwouldrondo · 25/11/2016 20:26

merrie The Kingston wards in the constituency are basically Canbury and Tudor (which are libdem territory) but also Coombe and Coombe Hill which are actually even more affluent than Richmond Hill and Barnes traditionally, real old money, though also now wealthy oligarch with the odd rock star, territory.

Figmentofmyimagination · 25/11/2016 20:32

Alistair Campbell speaking for me on any questions!

Figmentofmyimagination · 25/11/2016 20:34

Grayling is really struggling.

Figmentofmyimagination · 25/11/2016 20:38

What a mess!

TuckersBadLuck · 25/11/2016 20:40

prettybird

Thanks for that, I'm working my way through it now. Section 33 (page 16) has caught my eye.

merrymouse · 25/11/2016 20:45

I'd forgotten about Coombe Hill!

However, I wouldn't call Coombe Hill the poshest part of the borough. The houses are too new.

merrymouse · 25/11/2016 20:45

Also, big houses mean fewer voters.

woman12345 · 25/11/2016 20:47

Attacking experts / welcome to the era of the idiocracy:

Worked well for Khmer Rouge, Chairman Mao and Stalin.

merrymouse · 25/11/2016 21:01

But yes, I will probably be disappointed on 2nd December just as on 24th June and 9th November.
Particularly if some outsider Richmond sports team has recently won something against all odds. (Leicester City and Chicago Cubs clearly created an imbalance in the force.)

BigChocFrenzy · 25/11/2016 21:04

I remember wondering after the Irish peace deal if the massive public surveillance & anti-terrorist powers would be rolled back once we could be sure the deal would hold.

I kept waiting .... spying apparatus was used to check dustbins were used for the correct waste types, then Islamic terrorism took off
If governments wait long enough, they can always find a use for a massive security apparatus Hmm

Very different when I've worked in Germany, Sweden, France.
They consider our CCTV society and security eavesdropping to be horrific and are very indignant that the UK help the US (GCHQ poodling for NSA) to bug the rest of Europe.

whatwouldrondo · 25/11/2016 21:12

merrie Not all of them, though many have been given permission for either demolition or what they want to do. It is a tad Bishop's Avenue. If you think that El Brute London Borough of Richmond on Thames favours it's rich and influential friends even more so Kingston.....

However you are right, there are lots of people pissed off with political elites and Brexit, and more locally Zac's response to shrinkage of Kingston Hospital, which I hear has only had bad to horrific consequences for the local community and now possibly another threat of closure.

whatwouldrondo · 25/11/2016 21:15

merrie Lots of us trying to make it not so........

BigChocFrenzy · 25/11/2016 21:17

Red "The UK is not worried about the EU knowing its Brexit negotiation stance, but UK media"

An example of secrecy that baffles me:

Nissan-Renault is partly owned by the French gov.
So the French know the exact details of the Nissan sweeteners - and presumably they immediately told their chum Frau Merkel and also the EU negotiators
.... but it must be kept a secret from the British public ??

New Brexit slogan:
"Let's stop giving 350 million a week to the EU" - and fund Nissan instead ... and every other big foreign company in the UK.

At least with nationalisation, the country owns something. Whereas a private company can bugger off after a few years, after making huge profits subsidised by taxes.
Corporate welfare.
With corporation tax slashed, more of those subsidies will come from ordinary people paying tax and / or import tariffs.

woman12345 · 25/11/2016 21:23

And don't forget the British arms industry which had a free trial location in the north of Ireland. And internment without trial. Non UK Amnesty International groups had to campaign on behalf of political prisoners in the UK. American friends in the 1980s were appalled by what this country was doing in Ireland. And the systematic torture. It was an absolute tragedy for both sides.

None of it's nice, but it is part of this country's history. And it's not taught in UK schools. Which is why the Good Friday agreement and present peace is a price too high to pay for whatever the extreme right are pursuing.

With regard to invasions on privacy, it's a human right and need. (ECHR).

What was it that the govt just snuck through? www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/snoopers-charter-2-investigatory-powers-bill-parliament-lords-what-does-it-mean-a7423866.html And so many countries are sounding so much more civilised than this one right now, I agree BigChocFrenzy.

Makes life much easier when the opposition has to keep worrying about being murdered
If some one had said to you in 1997 that you would be writing this in 2016 what would you have said to them!

BigChocFrenzy · 25/11/2016 21:54

When the US public was demonstrating against British treatment of IRA prisoners - hooding, leaning against a wall for hours etc - remember placards "Prince of Torturers" whenever Prince Charles visited ....

I never imagined that George Bush could introduce waterboarding after 9/11 with the support of even most Democrats & US media (and claim it wasn't torture)

Or that President-Elect Trump would openly propose torture.

His take on waterboarding:
"I like it a lot. I don’t think it’s tough enough"
and his own proposal "Take out their families"