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Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.

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RedToothBrush · 21/11/2016 11:17

Bloody hell where are we up to?

Trump is preparing for the White House. He has refused to give up his assets which will be a conflict of interest and maybe lead to corruption. He has just settled a fraud case out of court. One of the cases of illegal sexual behaviour has collapsed after the claimant was too afraid to proceed. His VP believes in stopping all abortions by any means necessary and beliefs in gay conversion therapy. He has appointed a white supremacist as his chief strategist. His attorney general is regarded as amnesty’s biggest enemy opposing just about all human rights bills as a senator. He has also been dogged by accusations of racism. His national security advisor supports torture techniques such as water boarding. These three appointments have been greeted with delight from the former leader of the KKK.

Man of the people, Nigel Farage is trying to undermine Theresa May and sideline the government by cozying up to Trump in front of a couple of gold doors. His long term intentions look increasingly wider than purely being about the EU and ever more sinister in nature. He is in danger of doing a rather good Moseley impression.

Meanwhile rumours persist of voter suppression and dubious election practices in several key states, which are hugely undemocratic and Hillary Clinton wins the popular vote.

These are all things you are supposed to ignore, and are just expected to believe that everything is okay and that it’s the fault of liberals for standing up for discrimination and that this discrimination is none existent in the first place. Unless your Head of State is named Merkel.

But don’t worry, our Head of State is set to intervene though. The Queen is due to invite Trump to Windsor and is our secret weapon. Like Kate is our secret Brexit weapon. The cost of this intervention? A £396million refurb of Buck Pally. If she can pull that off, hell, let’s just send her to Brussels instead of Johnson. We might get some good will even if Philip drops a clanger about prosecco.

Back in the UK, the a50 saga drags on. The NI case now joins the ‘People’s Challenge’ at the Supreme Court, as well as new representation coming from both the Scottish Government and Welsh assembly. The government defence has changed, with one of the key changes has been to describe our rights under the EU as different by calling them “internationally established rights” and therefore different to domestic rights. They now say that they previously agreed with the claimant that a50 was irrevocable, their position is now that whether it is irrevocable or revocable is irrelevant to the strength of the case, effectively leaving it open for the devolved governments to pursue this line.

Previously it was assumed that this would require a referral to the ECJ. It is not necessarily the case. The situation is more complex as was outlined in a HoC Library Briefing. In this, it states a referral might be legal unavoidable as otherwise could be open to damages, might not be needed as the Supreme Court itself holds the power to decide whether a50 is reversible or not or that the Supreme Court does not have the authority to refer until after a50 has been triggered (which changes the dynamics of things).

Even then, it might prove to be legally possible but politically impossible to reverse, it might require a unanimous agreement to reverse by the other 27 which might enforce conditions in doing so.

Several senior Conservatives have called for the government to drop the appeal. Oliver Letwin, argues that it is might up the government up to being vetoed by the devolved assemblies, Dominic Grieve thinks its simply unlikely to win, and Edward Garnier has said it leaves “an opportunity for ill motivated people to attack the judiciary and misconstrue the motives of both parties to the lawsuit”.

One of the Supreme Court judges has been criticised for outlining the case to law students in a speech due to misreporting. In the speech she said that the referendum was not legally binding before going on to explain that an act of parliament to trigger a50 might not be enough and that the Great Repeal Act might have to be passed to replace the European Communities Act before we can notify the EU of our intent to leave if the defense case holds up before she went on to explain the government’s position. Another Supreme Court judge has been called to excuse himself after his wife made pro-EU tweets as obviously by nature of being married, is completely biased.

A former lord chief justice has now warned that Liz Truss has caused a “constitutional breakdown” and may have broken the law by failing to defend judges.

I’m putting money on the live video feed of the Supreme Court breaking due to ‘unprecedented demand’. This of course is a conspiracy.

At the same time a Three Line Bill for a50 is prepared to put to the HoC with the intention that the HoC and HoL would not ‘dare defy it’. Except the Lib Dem Lords are suggesting they see no reason why they shouldn’t table an amendment that ensures parliamentary scrutiny and have consulted a constitutional lawyer over the matter. The feeling is that, if they don’t do this, then what is the point of the HoL? At the same time, measures to restrict the powers of the HoL over statutory instruments have also been dropped. This seems to be a good thing given the timing, until you find out the apparent reason; they apparently will need these powers to enact the Great Repeal Act.

Elsewhere a who’s who of the right of the Tory Party – 60 MPs – back a call to leave the Single Market and the Customs Union, whilst Hammond regards himself as the last voice of sanity in the Cabinet over the realistic challenges of Brexit.

Hammond is to deliver his Autumn Statement this week, which looks set to include tax breaks to those earning over £43,000 which Shadow Chancellor McDonnell agrees with. McDonnell of course has been doing a lot of agreeing with the government lately. Austerity looks unlikely to end. The NHS seems likely to as well.

Work and Pensions Secretary, Damien Green has been wetting his pants at the exciting opportunity to expand the gig economy. The growth of which I think few will argue has been a hugely contributory factor to feelings that drove the Leave vote. More Tory MPs have rebelled on cuts to disability benefits calling them cruel.

Liz Truss has had a riot from prisoners and a revolt from the prison staff in addition to her problems

Amber Rudd has been forced to admit there are secret files on the miners’ strike and Orgreave clashes which she did not take into consideration whilst making the Orgreave decision. Is that the faint whiff of a cover up? She has also had the largest victims charity withdraw its support from the child abuse inquiry initiated by May.

Arron Banks has a plan to ‘Drain the Swamp’ of British politics from corruption. This seems to ignore the incredible antics of Liam Fox and instead focus on some of the most pro-remain voices of Clegg, Soubry and Lammy. This happens just as UKIP have been accused in a EU audit, which Farage does not think are carried out frequency enough, that it has spent hundreds of thousands of pounds improperly and may have to refund this. This is unfair. Apparently. In other UKIP’s news, the likely leader, Paul Nuttall, has said on the day that Aleppo’s last hospital was destroyed that he thinks Putin is behaving appropriately in Syria. Post-Truth indeed.

What we need is accountability for the national interest. Not any of this shit of blaming liberalism for the party political self interest of the last 40 years.

In light relief, Ed Balls might be popular at dancing but when it comes to leader of Labour he polls even worse than Corbyn. A fate only shared by Tony Blair. So it could be worse…

Anyway, I know there are few heads going down here, so I’m going to leave you with a link to a quote from Vaclav Havel:
www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/12/vacla-havel-index-on-censorship-ludvik-vakulik/
Vaclav Havel: "We became dissidents without actually knowing how"

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jaws5 · 23/11/2016 23:08

kaija yes, I was asking myself that, but then, Gove famously doesn't believe in "experts" either.
Alison McGovern, wonderful tribute to Jo Cox and liberal values on Newsnight.

merrymouse · 23/11/2016 23:12

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/23/ukips-nigel-farage-fly-washington-dc-fortnight-meet-donald-trumps/

More taking back control. Probably more photo ops.

At what point do they admit that this is a complete fiasco?

How can the UK negotiate with the EU with Farage jabbering on in the background?

Also doesn't Farage undermine the peaceful transition of power in the US if he keeps going on about Obama? He isn't really toeing the party line.

SwedishEdith · 24/11/2016 00:00

Sarah Wollaston getting angry.

Sarah Wollaston MP Retweeted Robert Peston
So to be clear, no £350m per week for the NHS. The most remembered non-fact from the campaign #posttruthpoliticsSarah Wollaston MP added,
Robert Peston @Peston
So to be clear, Brexit impact on public finances is a deterioriation of £220bn by end of parliament. Worse than feared #AutumnStatement

Mistigri · 24/11/2016 06:34

Looks like the recount will happen, as Jill Stein raised the necessary $$$ in just a few hours.

Doubt very much it will change anything, but I've been wrong before. Also, if you suspect hacking, doesn't seem like a recount is what you need. You'll just be recounting hacked votes.

Re yesterday's budget and the increased deficit. There seems to be something that everyone has lost sight of. All the damaged is supposedly being done in 2017 and 2018, ie before we leave. After 2019, forecasts are basically unchanged - is this simply because beyond a two year timeframe (in which our status vis à vis the EU remains unchanged, but the currency shock and loss of investor and business confidence have an impact) there is no reasonable way of making a forecast? It strikes me that if brexit does proceed in March 2017 that we can expect successive downgrades in this forecast.

CeciledeVolanges · 24/11/2016 07:10

JRM is frighteningly clever. But, as you say, he covers it up with those mannerisms. Very out of touch, un empathetic, selfish, like Gove - not nice people, but not stupid. See also Borisz

whatwouldrondo · 24/11/2016 08:14

JRM addressed the rally of almost 100 people yesterday

“As the great Boris Johnson might say, we came, we saw, we conquered. We have to make sure it is continued until the end and that we leave as soon as soon". He thanked the demonstrators “for the terrific work you do representing the mass of the British people who want to take back control of our country. It is a great time to be British. The future for our country is fantastic and will lead a golden economic age. As the Americans would say, God bless the United Kingdom”.

Same old cliches from Planet Brexit. Hmm

Peregrina · 24/11/2016 08:21

No sensible ideas from JRM - no visiting the North and West and talking to people and finding out what their problems are, and how they are managing or not. Same old, same old.

Mistigri · 24/11/2016 08:32

As the great Boris Johnson might say, we came, we saw, we conquered

He doesn't sound "frighteningly clever", cecile unless I was missing a heavy dose of irony in your post. He sounds frighteningly deluded with a poor grasp of history despite what was no doubt a very expensive education.

merrymouse · 24/11/2016 08:40

Doubt very much it will change anything, but I've been wrong before. Also, if you suspect hacking, doesn't seem like a recount is what you need. You'll just be recounting hacked votes.

I think they are looking for malware that would create a difference between the number of votes evidenced by the paper trail (where there is one) and the number of votes counted by the computer.

Never mind Clinton and Trump, if they find evidence that Russia has tampered with the system, where does that leave the US and Russia?

whatwouldrondo · 24/11/2016 08:41

I think you can be clever and deluded, especially if you grow up in Ivory towers. It isn't just that he doesn't understand the North and West, he has clearly never dirtied his hands in business and commerce either.

More evidence of delusion, only on Planet Brexit would you think that you were helping a colleague by campaigning on their behalf in pro Remain, anti Heathrow Richmond Park when you are pro Brexit and pro Heathrow. Still a day out in Kew with your friends is always a pleasant prospect www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/news/14883069.Pro_Heathrow_expansion_MP_Jacob_Rees_Mogg_lends_a_hand_to_Zac_Goldsmith_s_campaign/?ref=ar

merrymouse · 24/11/2016 08:56

Its difficult to find examples of JRM saying something that is actually clever.

Without the brideshead act he would just be another uninspiring back bencher.

mathanxiety · 24/11/2016 09:00

Louise Mensch (wrt Jill Stein recount) sounds like a Pravda editorial c. 1949.

I do not think a recount will cause civil war in the US. Maybe some civil unrest. Right now the whole country is focusing on the Thanksgiving turkey. Happy Thanksgiving everybody! (Or Happy Thursday!)

InformalRoman · 24/11/2016 09:30

The Resolution Foundation's analysis of the autumn statement makes grim reading:

The double whammy of lower earnings and benefit cuts mean that the poorest third of households are now set to face a parliament of falling living standards. In the months and years ahead the key task facing the government is to turn that situation around.

www.resolutionfoundation.org/media/blog/resolution-foundation-reaction-to-autumn-statement-2016/

TuckersBadLuck · 24/11/2016 09:33

Hmm... the OBR are saying (guessing) that Brexit is going to cost £58 billion over the next 5 years. I make that £223 million per week. That would look good on a bus wouldn't it?

merrymouse · 24/11/2016 09:36

Happy thanks giving math. We just get annoying spam email Black Friday. Grumble grumble.

RedToothBrush · 24/11/2016 09:42

Do you think jrm has ever been to Stoke, Hull, Grimsby, Wigan, Hartlepool or even ventured north of Birmingham?

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Peregrina · 24/11/2016 09:50

That would look good on a bus wouldn't it?

Wonder if someone can crowd fund a bus with that on? Tour that round Leave areas. The only trouble is, TM is now dead set on invoking A50, that she won't take any notice, so it won't matter if people's opinion changes, because she won't want to know.

InformalRoman · 24/11/2016 09:51

RTB - according to his wiki page he did visit Central Fife when he was standing as a conservative candidate there. I don't think canvassing with his nanny and touring the constituency in a posh car helped (JRM denies it was a Bentley). I bet he went down a storm in Lochgelly ...

RedToothBrush · 24/11/2016 10:47

This conversation from yesterday (worth pointing out Maugham is a tax lawyer) Selected tweets:

Jo Maugham QC @JolyonMaugham
Woh! OBR asks if there are contingent liabilities from the Nissan deal. Treasury point blank refuses to say.

Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.
Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.
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RedToothBrush · 24/11/2016 10:57

FRANCE 24 ‏@FRANCE24

Schulz to quit as EU Parliament chief, enter German politics

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harvestmoon32 · 24/11/2016 10:59

Do you think jrm has ever been to Stoke, Hull, Grimsby, Wigan, Hartlepool or even ventured north of Birmingham?

I doubt it, but to be fair, how many MPs from those areas have ventured to the South West - there are similar economic issues down there, which I doubt they try and understand.

(PS - I'm no JRM fan....)

Mistigri · 24/11/2016 11:00

Wow RTB that is dynamite - or am I being naive?

RedToothBrush · 24/11/2016 11:02

Farage voting at all at the European Parliament is newsworthy isn't it?

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LurkingHusband · 24/11/2016 11:05

Either I am missing something, or people aren't reading to the end of stories ... here's the hidden gem in all that

Promise to abolish Autumn Statement, with Budgets happening in the autumn from next year, along with "Spring Statement" from 2018

so - unless my comprehension is wrong, they've just dumped the March 2017 (i.e. pre-A50) budget. And not a word ? The next budget we get is post-Article 50 ?