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Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.

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RedToothBrush · 21/11/2016 11:17

Bloody hell where are we up to?

Trump is preparing for the White House. He has refused to give up his assets which will be a conflict of interest and maybe lead to corruption. He has just settled a fraud case out of court. One of the cases of illegal sexual behaviour has collapsed after the claimant was too afraid to proceed. His VP believes in stopping all abortions by any means necessary and beliefs in gay conversion therapy. He has appointed a white supremacist as his chief strategist. His attorney general is regarded as amnesty’s biggest enemy opposing just about all human rights bills as a senator. He has also been dogged by accusations of racism. His national security advisor supports torture techniques such as water boarding. These three appointments have been greeted with delight from the former leader of the KKK.

Man of the people, Nigel Farage is trying to undermine Theresa May and sideline the government by cozying up to Trump in front of a couple of gold doors. His long term intentions look increasingly wider than purely being about the EU and ever more sinister in nature. He is in danger of doing a rather good Moseley impression.

Meanwhile rumours persist of voter suppression and dubious election practices in several key states, which are hugely undemocratic and Hillary Clinton wins the popular vote.

These are all things you are supposed to ignore, and are just expected to believe that everything is okay and that it’s the fault of liberals for standing up for discrimination and that this discrimination is none existent in the first place. Unless your Head of State is named Merkel.

But don’t worry, our Head of State is set to intervene though. The Queen is due to invite Trump to Windsor and is our secret weapon. Like Kate is our secret Brexit weapon. The cost of this intervention? A £396million refurb of Buck Pally. If she can pull that off, hell, let’s just send her to Brussels instead of Johnson. We might get some good will even if Philip drops a clanger about prosecco.

Back in the UK, the a50 saga drags on. The NI case now joins the ‘People’s Challenge’ at the Supreme Court, as well as new representation coming from both the Scottish Government and Welsh assembly. The government defence has changed, with one of the key changes has been to describe our rights under the EU as different by calling them “internationally established rights” and therefore different to domestic rights. They now say that they previously agreed with the claimant that a50 was irrevocable, their position is now that whether it is irrevocable or revocable is irrelevant to the strength of the case, effectively leaving it open for the devolved governments to pursue this line.

Previously it was assumed that this would require a referral to the ECJ. It is not necessarily the case. The situation is more complex as was outlined in a HoC Library Briefing. In this, it states a referral might be legal unavoidable as otherwise could be open to damages, might not be needed as the Supreme Court itself holds the power to decide whether a50 is reversible or not or that the Supreme Court does not have the authority to refer until after a50 has been triggered (which changes the dynamics of things).

Even then, it might prove to be legally possible but politically impossible to reverse, it might require a unanimous agreement to reverse by the other 27 which might enforce conditions in doing so.

Several senior Conservatives have called for the government to drop the appeal. Oliver Letwin, argues that it is might up the government up to being vetoed by the devolved assemblies, Dominic Grieve thinks its simply unlikely to win, and Edward Garnier has said it leaves “an opportunity for ill motivated people to attack the judiciary and misconstrue the motives of both parties to the lawsuit”.

One of the Supreme Court judges has been criticised for outlining the case to law students in a speech due to misreporting. In the speech she said that the referendum was not legally binding before going on to explain that an act of parliament to trigger a50 might not be enough and that the Great Repeal Act might have to be passed to replace the European Communities Act before we can notify the EU of our intent to leave if the defense case holds up before she went on to explain the government’s position. Another Supreme Court judge has been called to excuse himself after his wife made pro-EU tweets as obviously by nature of being married, is completely biased.

A former lord chief justice has now warned that Liz Truss has caused a “constitutional breakdown” and may have broken the law by failing to defend judges.

I’m putting money on the live video feed of the Supreme Court breaking due to ‘unprecedented demand’. This of course is a conspiracy.

At the same time a Three Line Bill for a50 is prepared to put to the HoC with the intention that the HoC and HoL would not ‘dare defy it’. Except the Lib Dem Lords are suggesting they see no reason why they shouldn’t table an amendment that ensures parliamentary scrutiny and have consulted a constitutional lawyer over the matter. The feeling is that, if they don’t do this, then what is the point of the HoL? At the same time, measures to restrict the powers of the HoL over statutory instruments have also been dropped. This seems to be a good thing given the timing, until you find out the apparent reason; they apparently will need these powers to enact the Great Repeal Act.

Elsewhere a who’s who of the right of the Tory Party – 60 MPs – back a call to leave the Single Market and the Customs Union, whilst Hammond regards himself as the last voice of sanity in the Cabinet over the realistic challenges of Brexit.

Hammond is to deliver his Autumn Statement this week, which looks set to include tax breaks to those earning over £43,000 which Shadow Chancellor McDonnell agrees with. McDonnell of course has been doing a lot of agreeing with the government lately. Austerity looks unlikely to end. The NHS seems likely to as well.

Work and Pensions Secretary, Damien Green has been wetting his pants at the exciting opportunity to expand the gig economy. The growth of which I think few will argue has been a hugely contributory factor to feelings that drove the Leave vote. More Tory MPs have rebelled on cuts to disability benefits calling them cruel.

Liz Truss has had a riot from prisoners and a revolt from the prison staff in addition to her problems

Amber Rudd has been forced to admit there are secret files on the miners’ strike and Orgreave clashes which she did not take into consideration whilst making the Orgreave decision. Is that the faint whiff of a cover up? She has also had the largest victims charity withdraw its support from the child abuse inquiry initiated by May.

Arron Banks has a plan to ‘Drain the Swamp’ of British politics from corruption. This seems to ignore the incredible antics of Liam Fox and instead focus on some of the most pro-remain voices of Clegg, Soubry and Lammy. This happens just as UKIP have been accused in a EU audit, which Farage does not think are carried out frequency enough, that it has spent hundreds of thousands of pounds improperly and may have to refund this. This is unfair. Apparently. In other UKIP’s news, the likely leader, Paul Nuttall, has said on the day that Aleppo’s last hospital was destroyed that he thinks Putin is behaving appropriately in Syria. Post-Truth indeed.

What we need is accountability for the national interest. Not any of this shit of blaming liberalism for the party political self interest of the last 40 years.

In light relief, Ed Balls might be popular at dancing but when it comes to leader of Labour he polls even worse than Corbyn. A fate only shared by Tony Blair. So it could be worse…

Anyway, I know there are few heads going down here, so I’m going to leave you with a link to a quote from Vaclav Havel:
www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/12/vacla-havel-index-on-censorship-ludvik-vakulik/
Vaclav Havel: "We became dissidents without actually knowing how"

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RedToothBrush · 22/11/2016 21:51

Re: LM. She has been locking unlocking her account for the last week or so.

She got screen shotted by Otto English with some nasty tweets about the Jo Cox trial which she deleted.

He's blocked by her. He seems to be blocked by a few politicians.

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merrymouse · 22/11/2016 21:51

Telegraph article from 2014 about 'special relationship'.

Seems like another century.

amaravatti · 22/11/2016 21:53

Thanks, squishy. A lot of Americans( and youngsters in this country) seem to be trying to therapise a political understanding; ' Think of it like an abusive parent. He is the perfect abusive parent. Slapping us around one minute and telling us how great we will be the next. Propaganda is designed to make Trump look powerful and us to feel helpless, needy, despairing.
Like the Naom Chomsky quote though:
All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and to consume. Propaganda is to a democracy what the bludgeon is to a totalitarian state. –The left is dead, psychotherapy and medication is still available. ( maybe it replaced it long ago)

amaravatti · 22/11/2016 22:02

Roger King ‏@TrumpWontWin

Thing is, Michigan has not officially been called yet. If anyone has some discrepancies in PA, then this gets serious.

SwedishEdith · 22/11/2016 22:08

Yes, it was OE's post that made me look.

RedToothBrush · 22/11/2016 22:16

Torygraph front page tomorrow:
Hammond £1bn boost to benefits.

FT:
Hammond eyes housing sweetener as fiscal hole limits help 'Jams'

(Something to do with landlords and rent. but already being criticised by people saying 'won't landlords just put up rent?')

Dr Ben White ‏@drbenwhite
^Nye Bevan on 'visitors' using the NHS (thanks @Nye_Davies)
tl;dr "IDGAF"^

Westministenders. Boris has lost it. Time for that emergency budge--- er tax giveaway.
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TheBathroomSink · 22/11/2016 22:31

The landlords don't get those fees though, they are what the letting agents make on top of their fees from the landlord. It's already in place in Scotland, so I suppose they at least have some idea how it works.

HesterThrale · 22/11/2016 22:55

Soubry and Grieve - the acceptable faces of capitalism? They both seem to have sense. You know, I don't think they'd want to be PM. They'd be forced to carry out something they didn't agree with (Brexit). They'd probably have too much integrity to go against their own principles, yet wouldn't want Tory self-destruction as their responsibility. It'd have to be a really strong, principled Tory to say 'actually this was a bad idea, will never work, will bankrupt us, was our fault, we shouldn't do it, and we're going now'.

Marmitelover55 · 22/11/2016 23:34

I think the letting agents charge fees to new tenants. If they are no longer able to do this then they will charge landlords instead who will therefore put up the rent...

squishysquirmy · 23/11/2016 00:01

All the sensible ones are far too sensible to want to be at the wheel when the ships heading straight towards an iceberg.

mathanxiety · 23/11/2016 05:55

Democratic elector Polly Baca (no relation to Micheal) said the Electoral College should be returned to its original conception — as laid out by Alexander Hamilton in the Federalist Papers — as a deliberative body able to exercise free choice while using popular votes only as a guide.

I could definitely support that!

Mistigri · 23/11/2016 06:52

I sense that some European politicians are quite enjoying the game of "brexit means brexit ... Doesn't it?". And they are better at it than David and Johnson, if only because they can all do it in at least three languages.

Genuine question: are there ANY thoughtful, informed, serious brexiters on Twitter? (I don't mean politically neutral but practically pro-remain people like DAG). The debate is so one-sided.

Mistigri · 23/11/2016 06:53

*Davis and Johnson

HyacinthFuckit · 23/11/2016 07:42

Having had to follow May at the Home Office very closely for professional reasons, I was well aware of what she's like. She did look positively sane and competent next to AL though. It's all relative, is the point.

I also wouldn't assume LLs will be able to pile the charges on further, especially not those renting in areas where demand is low and/or lots of HB tenants with limited funds. Maybe in London. Not everywhere.

merrymouse · 23/11/2016 07:45

www.theguardian.com/travel/2016/nov/22/ba-boss-shocked-to-find-out-that-third-heathrow-runway-will-raze-his-hq

Not sure if this is worrying (these people put planes in the sky!) or funny. Doesn't increase faith in management of big infrastructure projects.

BigChocFrenzy · 23/11/2016 08:09

< waves >
I've been busy with my new place in Germany.

Lovely to enjoy well-finded public services that are praised as national assets, not as an opportunity for asset-stripping. Trains & buses are so cheap & frequent. Food surprisingly cheap too.
I see housebuilding everywhere, very vibrant economy.

Most folk here are in shock at Trump - Brexit was more "well, it would be nice if the UK stayed, but we can manage without them". I've received sympathy, no criticism.
The US is the world's superpower and it seems to have gone mad, very scary.
People are especially worried that Trump could give Putin carte blanche to invade Eastern European countries, in exchange for giving him some goodie that he wants.
Or just that he could have a tantrum and bomb a country that doesn't knuckle down

Merkel still looks pretty safe for the next elections here; about 70% approval, despite many voters disagreeing strongly about her refugee policy.

wrt French elections: Most here are hoping that Brexit / Trump are problems of the "Anglosphere", which embraced harsh neoliberalism austerity & welfare cuts that most EU countries toned down a lot.
Hence the strong expectation that France will reject Le Pen (but still jitters)

Many People of Colour in the US seem dismayed, but not as surprised at the result as white liberals are - very different life experiences, e.g.:
www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/11/foul-stench-fascism-161110100340474.html

IrenetheQuaint · 23/11/2016 08:11

I did laugh at that article, merrymouse.

Clamping down on letting charges is a good thing - yes, some landlords will raise rents, but better the costs are transparent than some weird 'inventory charge' creeping in halfway through the process.

amaravatti · 23/11/2016 08:17

Hi BigChocFrenzy sounds like the Germany I knew briefly. A brilliant education system can go a long way to defend civilisation.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/23/hillary-clinton-election-vote-recount-michigan-pennsylvania-wisconsin
Wonder if she could bear to fight this. Thought it was significant that she said post defeat that we have our children to think of.
thanks for the good link

Sol1dGoldCunt · 23/11/2016 08:20

Not sure I'll hack watching the autumn statement today. I'm spending a lot of time already this morning shouting at the tv when they've brought up the amount of money we're likely to be borrowing in the next few years. What was the point of austerity ffs?

BigChocFrenzy · 23/11/2016 08:22

Yes, a really good education system is a cornerstone of democracy.
Debates rather than demonisation.
Deal with facts, not fantasy.

BigChocFrenzy · 23/11/2016 08:28

Misti You mght like to check out Daniel Hannan on Twitter. He's a fervent Brexiter, but highly intelligent, informed, sane & has empathy:

"I wouldn't have voted for Trump either. I was for Johnson"
"Let's hope that the eurozone is indeed recovering. Prosperous neighbours make good customers."
"Just as some Remainers can't accept defeat, so some Leavers can't accept victory, and won't let go of their sense of rage and betrayal."

amaravatti · 23/11/2016 08:28

What was the point of austerity ffs: remove welfare state; economic apartheid; ripen populace for a coup.

merrymouse · 23/11/2016 08:39

The point of auditing the election results shouldn't be to get a different result, it should be to have faith in the system. I don't think Clinton's involvement should be necessary, but maybe she would have to be involved to get anything done?

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