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Thoughts about JRM in my 11.20 post Kaija

'You seem to be another who just wants to surround yourself with people who think as you do in order to maintain your 'pub atmosphere''
'You seem to be another who just wants to surround yourself with people who think as you do in order to maintain your 'pub atmosphere''

No.

Bear I'm not sure you're understanding what I'm trying to say, sometimes it's not about what you say but about how you say it. You don't necessarily have be at loggerheads with someone. I can take on board an opinion different to mine but I don't want to be antagonised or hassled in a pub - discussions can be more easy going than that - even serious subjects.

Well I like to think you can find common ground with those who have different opinions. In a pub everyone doesn't agree.

Well, yeah. So why would you tell posters:

Why so intense? There's plenty of serious threads you could go on to build your consensus - why hijack this one?

You must know that in every pub, there's always a couple of really intense people chatting at the bar.

Where's Red these days? We need her calming influence.

'Well, yeah. So why would you tell posters:

Why so intense? There's plenty of serious threads you could go on to build your consensus - why hijack this one?'

You must know that in every pub, there's always a couple of really intense people chatting at the bar'

Yes that's true - away from the crowd - and not affecting the group.

inkanta I do understand what you're trying to say but you're not appreciating how emotive this subject is.

This can't ever be a jokey, cosy pub topic. People have stopped talking to friends and family over this- it's that divisive.

For those of us who didn't want this to happen, listening to the flag waving, back slapping and general self congratulating on how great it will be now we're leaving isn't going to pacify us.

As soon as the chatter gets more serious there's rarely much in the way of coherent argument from most Leavers, there are exceptions, it just goes back to 'yay we're leaving- who cares what happens as long as we're freeeeeeeeeeeee'

inkanta i didn't recall 'seeing' you in the pub before so just searched your name on it.

Interesting that, other than turning up now to critise me and my posting style for being intense, the only other contribution you've made on here was

I know, I was a bit taken a back - I thought the remain voters were supposed to be like the Care Bears - and care a lot.

Hardly in the spirit of cosy, friendly chatter is it?

'For those of us who didn't want this to happen, listening to the flag waving, back slapping and general self congratulating on how great it will be now we're leaving isn't going to pacify us.'

I can imagine it might make you want to rain on their parade.

This can't ever be a jokey, cosy pub topic Well no, not with posters spitting bile on the thread, but they manage perfectly well when those posters are not there.

inkanta i didn't recall 'seeing' you in the pub before so just searched your name on it.

'Interesting that, other than turning up now to critise me and my posting style for being intense, the only other contribution you've made on here was

I know, I was a bit taken a back - I thought the remain voters were supposed to be like the Care Bears - and care a lot.

Hardly in the spirit of cosy, friendly chatter is it?'

There you go Bear!

Do you see what you did there. Upping the anti.

I like this thread and have enjoyed reading it - and I kind of liked my little joke as well.

As soon as the chatter gets more serious there's rarely much in the way of coherent argument from most Leavers, there are exceptions, it just goes back to 'yay we're leaving- who cares what happens as long as we're freeeeeeeeeeeee

1. there is coherent argument and serious discussion of important issues but some posters will never listen or take it on board because they are soooooooo angry.

2. there is plenty of serious chatter going on from Leavers but generally on this thread...its been more of the jokey jovial type of chatter, somewhere really for leavers to gather in the storm that is Brexit and the storm caused by some distracted remainers.

I thought MN was for everyone but seemingly one poster in particular doesn't want MN Leavers to chat

inkanta, why is it a joke when you say something like that but when a Remainer says anything remotely similar its rude or bullying?

Howabout, your post of 11.22 is not enlightening me much. Are you saying you welcome Rees Mogg's suggestion that safety and environmental standards could be drastically lowered to levels comparable with India? That seems an odd position for a Lexiter to say the least.

*To be completely honest

Although i really 'like' some of the posters on this thread i really do not feel welcome in 'the pub' at all*

RUFUS!!!
(Shouting!)

For you...

"inkanta, why is it a joke when you say something like that but when a Remainer says anything remotely similar its rude or bullying?"

Bear

You're doing it again! Too intense.

Nice to know I am not the only one who takes this view on the A50 case:

Per BBC: Professor Steven Tierney, from Edinburgh University's School of Law, says it could be quite "explosive", in terms of relations between the Holyrood and Westminster parliaments, if the case goes against the government and in favour of its opponents.

"I was quite surprised by the High Court decision. Many of us felt this was a matter which fell squarely within the prerogative power. If the Supreme Court decides to uphold the High Court's view that legislation is required, then there is a plausible argument to say this is something which would also affect devolved powers and consent is required. If this view is taken, the ramifications are potentially very big indeed."

They have spelt his first name wrong though

In the interests of injecting some levity and in honour of the Scottish dimension I propose Lord Sumption has a Unicorn tie tomorrow

store.metmuseum.org/ties/unicorn-tapestry-tie/invt/unicorntie

That made me laugh mango

If it is upheld, the fallout has the potential to be massive.
We all just have to wait & see...

I was reading somewhere that it was Tony Blair's fuck up and lack of forward thinking that brought about the potential for exactly this sort of crisis.
Also, the arrogance of politicians from all parties who voted through the ref in its 'advisory only' state.
Nobody actually countenanced a win for Leave.

The only one was Alex Salmond who asked this very thing - what if Scotland say no?
If I've understood it correctly he wanted a caveat that there had to be agreement from the devolved countries, but was told no because 'it's only advisory'.

Well 'it's only advisory' has bitten them on the arse now, hasn't it?!

See bear, you're doing it all wrong!

It's fun and convivial to tell remainers they should 'honestly' be done for treason. What you are doing is not fun or convivial enough.

I'm glad it did Rufus - I have a lot of (virtual and anonymous) love for you

Kaija my interpretation of JRM's comments is that he is pointing out in the medium term at the very least Brexit gives the opportunity to review and challenge the effectiveness of current EU legislation adopted into UK law via the 1972 Act. He also goes on to correctly point out that vehicle emissions standards are significantly stricter in the US. I agree with this assertion and my further point was that post Brexit it will be far easier for the UK to adapt product and employment legislation in response to the fast changing business environment.

You're doing it again! Too intense

inkanta it's not being 'intense' to point out your double standards.

Although it looks like someone else is intent on making it all frothy again as winter appears to be continuing her provoking of me too.

Inkanta: You're doing it again! Too intense.

How about you stop telling people what sort of posting style they should be adopting, Inkanta? Seriously.

Does anyone else have an opinion on what Rees Mogg said yesterday?

Love the unicorn tie.

Is there no consensus on the best Nigel pic yet?

Dickhead Unicorn or Buff Dragon Slayer?

Can we agree across the trenches on that, maybe??