The Brexit Arms (temporary till the licensee get here)

[BoredofBrexit]

Noise enforcement squad!
Where's the landlady? Surfer?
We've been advised of a a lock in and it's reported that the jukebox has been stuck playing Pulp - Common People - all night.

Jaws5, what discussions did you have with your son re Trump & Clinton? re the EU vote etc??

My children also are very interested in what's going on in the world (mine are 14 & 11).
My 14 yr old I speak very frankly with, my 11 yr old I frame things differently and pitch it more to his level.

I teach them that simply watching the news isn't enough, you need to think critically round what's being reported with this sort of thing (politics).

I've taught them that the best way to understand fully is to look at the other side - instead of just denouncing Trump/Brexit voters, look for the reasons why.
(Plumping immediately on racist/stupid/xenophobic etc is not critical thought btw).

So what reasons did you give him for why Trump was voted in? Or did you just leave it at Stupid, Racist, Xenophobic Misogynists.

In defence of the young and impressionable generation. My 2 teenage DDs have spent months now with everyone at school berating Trump and his less attractive qualities. They have found it quite difficult to get beyond the fact that his "locker room" talk, rightly or actually wrongly, is no worse than what they hear in their classrooms from the "lads" every single day.

I was in the States when BC was defending himself over the ML "incident". I didn't get far in explaining his equivocation over what constituted "sexual relations", his references to her as "that woman" and the examination of the infamous dress before they concluded that HC had bigger problems much closer to home.

howabout - I had told my eldest son about Bill & Monica at some point before.
He too was at the not having 'sexual relations with that woman' thing.

look at the other side of Trump's groping of women? Of Trump's xenophobic and racist discourse? "Darling, some people have different views, all valid because this is a democracy', that kind of thing?

No.
He's a deplorable man.

I mean look at why people voted for him.

Personally, I'd shield my 7 year old from world politics. Let them be kids fgs.

Brexit yes, from maybe year 3 upwards, but just the real basics.

YY, at 7 my kids thought no further than who was going out to play that day.

Unless your son knows DT he has observed nothing he has seen a biased press and listened to you so it's concomitant on you to give him a balanced view. If you wish to use him to virtue signal to us awful Leavers expect to be called on your parenting.

I was responding to a post about how children react to Trump. That's quite an unpleasant post infinite.

'Concomitant on you' does mean anything! I love all these frothy leavers frothing at the idea of a child taking an interest in significant global events! We should all play football and not listen to or think about anything, lest we accidentally hear anyone who knows what he or she is talking about (the despised experts). The odd article by Paul Nuttalls of the UKIPs may be allowed, but no more!

doesn't* mean anything!

I'm quite disgusted by this thread and I'm going. Bye.

Just spent 5 minutes in dictionary corner confirming my understanding of concomitant - entirely germane to the conversation imho. Added bonus that I can now spell germane .

I feel a game of pub bingo coming on.

I really belong in pedants' corner

It's impossible to shield children from what's going on in the world at that age. Rather than attempting to shield I give my children every chance to know what's going on and build an opinion, talking about it and not telling them what to think, but asking what they think and why. There's plenty of age appropriate sources such as Newsround or First News, and I wouldn't turn the radio off when the news come on.

You might think you are shielding your kids, and "let them be children", but children are naturally interested in what's going on in the world and care what is happening to people, so responding to that thirst for knowledge is exactly what letting them be children is. And don't fool yourself that you're not passing on your own views ever bit as much as we do, as your kids will be aware of how you react to things.

I agree wholeheartedly Widow: giving our dc a balanced view and the freedom to make up their own minds.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/19/calling-trump-and-brexit-voters-post-truth-fascists-wont-win-the/

Think we should add 'frothy' to the leavers lexicon
For a pub thread where we talk thread we attract quite a bit of passing trade.

I love all these frothy leavers frothing at the idea of a child taking an interest in significant global events!

Are you actually reading the same thread as me?!

I think surfer must have messed up the last barrel change if we are frothing all over the place

I am absolutely frozen. Saturday sports is just no fun in the uk winter for spectators

Frightening a young child with your biased views is not a good move.
Allowing an older child access to the whole picture & allowing them the freedom to work things out for themselves is how I do it.

The morning of the Trump victory () my 11 year olds SM feed was filled with friends posting that their parents had told them that ww3 was about to start. Those posts scared her, not the FACT of the election results.

Just picking up on a discussion elsewhere. I quite like Corbyn but I dislike Labour, particularly NuLip (New Labour Islington Party). What do other leavers think of him?

I was previously very anti-Corbyn tbh.
I don't think he's a particularly good leader, I can't see him as PM.
However, over the last few months and weeks I've started to thaw a bit towards him.

The jury's still out as far as I'm concerned but I'm more open minded towards him now.

Certainly much, much better than the sneery, condescending types like Tristram Hunt.
(He in particular popped into my head as I saw him on something recently where his contempt for 'ordinary people' who don't 'get the message' was practically oozing out of every pore).

Yes, that's what I mean Mango. Cut loose he might be onto something.