The Brexit Arms (temporary till the licensee get here)

[BoredofBrexit]

Noise enforcement squad!
Where's the landlady? Surfer?
We've been advised of a a lock in and it's reported that the jukebox has been stuck playing Pulp - Common People - all night.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/11/18/left-decries-post-truth-society-pushing-ideas-fuel/

Quite like this article about 'post truth politics' - despised by the poor hand-wringing puppet masters that fear they're losing their control.

Well you're obviously happy celebrating a victory brought about through lies and cheating. You think a 'victory' in your cause at any cost is worth celebrating. Do you think that's a desirable personality trait then? I don't.

...oh, sorry, I just realised that Stuart Lee is a member of the metropolitan elite white Paul Nuttall is a man of the people as is in possession of "the truth". Anyone who speaks if "the truth" is a religious fanatic or a fanatic of a different type...

There seems to be a lot of false equivalency going on, with this idea that politicians have always been liars so "post truth" means nothing.

I mean, most (not all) politicians will at some point in their career have spun an issue, or interpreted some statistics to suit their own bias. That is not the same as standing on a stage and just making a statistic up. Like an unemployment rate of 42%. Or saying that, for e.g. all Mexicans are rapists.
Or drive a bus around the country with a blatent lie on it.

Some traditional politicians may flip flop on issues and renege on manifesto pledges (although not as often as some believe). But that is not the same as clearly stating one opinion at 3 am in the morning, and another at 10am.

Most politicians do not heavily insinuate that their political rival's father shot Kennedy. Or that their rivals murdered a business partner.
Or encourage ridiculous rumours about their place of birth.

The whole point about "post truth" and "post fact" isn't that no-one ever lied before. It's the sheer brazenness of claiming something which can be disproved beyond all reasonable doubt in about 5 seconds of googling. And then getting away with.
www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/22/all-of-donald-trumps-four-pinocchio-ratings-in-one-place/
Not that you'll believe anything in the link I posted anyway.

Yes Jaws5, you're right of course.

We should only ever read & discuss those people/articles which have been thoroughly vetted by people who 'know what's best for us' - to make damn sure we only ever read things/listen to things that fit with the prescribed narrative.

Well you can't always be right.

Well you're obviously happy celebrating a victory brought about through lies and cheating. You think a 'victory' in your cause at any cost is worth celebrating. Do you think that's a desirable personality trait then? I don't.

AT ANY COST!!!

My favourite phase will be Post-EU mine too.

Trickery - there was trickery actually, it was Boris, saying " take back control" into the camera at any given opportunity.

I quite like not being 'right'. But not keen on being left.

What about a bit of karaoke?

Sometimes I think about a bit of trickery and Boris.......

Trickery - there was trickery actually, it was Boris, saying " take back control" into the camera at any given opportunity Christ! And that's the best example you can give of BoJo's lies, manipulation and plain incompetence? Or is it an euphemism?

Just watching Question Time from last night.

One of the panellists, Merryn Somerset Webb, encapsulated the point perfectly:

'Take away the emotion.
History will say 'the U.K. made some changes to its trading arrangements with its nearest neighbours'.

That's it.

But that's too simple for all the hysterical remainers.

That's true.

They don't like to let the Facts! get in the way of a good Drama!

Facts, since you're so fond of facts, which facts are those? Is M Somerset in possession of one of the famous Brexit Crystal Balls?

"History will say 'the U.K. made some changes to its trading arrangements with its nearest neighbours'."

Well I could live with that. It's just a shame that those changes are not in our favour (understatement).

But if that's all it means for Leavers, what was all that endless talk of taking back control and sovereignty??

Take away the emotion.
History will say 'the U.K. made some changes to its trading arrangements with its nearest neighbours that now counts as facts, and Paul Nuttell counts as a valued opinion, while the studies made by hundreds of those evil experts encounter the "rage of the people" because they are elitist.

Lots of frothers in tonight!

Is a big head allowed under EU laws? I remember getting some odd glasses last time I was in Amsterdam.

Well there always are in here aren't there, Mango? Frothing about sovereignty, taking back control, will of the people etc etc

Stick to the facts please K, if you don't mind. This is a respectable establishment.

Lol.

The only hyperbole that gets inflicted on these threads is when posters come on to take out their bad humour on people who voted for Brexit.

Don't think I've said anything non-factual there...

We ain't seen nothing yet. Double please.

All these newspaper columnists asking "How do I explain Trump and hatred and all the awfulness of the new America to my SEVEN-YEAR-OLD?" You don't. You let your seven-year-old go outside and play football with the other kids in the hope that it will toughen him up so that he doesn't turn into the same kind of nervy, weeping, narcissistic asshat you have clearly become

Saw that & laughed.