The Brexit Arms (temporary till the licensee get here)

[BoredofBrexit]

Noise enforcement squad!
Where's the landlady? Surfer?
We've been advised of a a lock in and it's reported that the jukebox has been stuck playing Pulp - Common People - all night.

& why do people think we care if they don't come back?

Surfer - Because narcissism prevents them from understanding where they are on the 'food chain'.

These people aren't liberals -- they're neo-reactionaries

I still think that 'Regressive Left' fits the bill. Coined by the handsome Maajid Nawaz with whom I want a hot date please.

Yes, regressive left fits too.

You couldn't make up that one of you on this thread posted 'Next time we get a stranger in we should all do that turn round and stare thing', which would be funny if it wasn't what some of us experience when we deal with members of the public and they realise we have an accent.
It does make sense some of you might act like this since apparently 'People [you] have nothing in common with' are not worth talking to.
I used to think that people took pride in trying to keep an open mind and meet others halfway in this country, whether the 'other' acts differently because of their culture or own quirks.

Re: liberal vs regressive, I suggest we don't get hung up on labels and stick to keeping open minds...

Fawful - Not sure what you are saying. Are you saying that people with an accent are dismissed? I don't think that is true at all. Britain is by far the friendliest and most helpful nation when it comes to understanding foreign people who hv stopped you to ask a question in the street, for example. Is that what you mean?

Try it in France, and they just walk by. They do not hv the patience to speak to anyone who does not speak French.

Great! pass that on to the millions of remainers who think I'm a thick idiot for voting leave.

That was to Fawful obviously.

Think I need a very low alcohol

Think I need a very low alcohol wine

Tequila is low-alcohol. [wink

Em Fawful, that would have been me who made the 'stare' comment IN MY BIG BROAD SCOTS ACCENT.

Ffs. One day we get slated for making like we are in an imaginary pub, the next we are getting treated as if we are in a real pub.

I was talking about customers at work.
I dont think people are aware yet of the paradox in saying 'ugh, I have nothing in common with those xenophobic Europeans, I'm not talking to them'.
We've only got control over our own minds, so we can all start by checking often that we are free of prejudices.

Scotland is fine, as is the commonwealth, it's only us racist Europeans that people can't be associated with.
I'm possibly being over sensitive about it but I mind being told my country is xenophobic by people who can't talk to people they have nothing in common with.
I've also been told aggressively in real life by a random leaver with whom I had a v brief interaction that she had 'nothing in common' with EU citizens because we treat refugees badly and are islamophobic. She didn't know me yet clearly had decided she wasn't going to talk about the weather with me.
Has that been a Daily Mail line, and is that why it is ok to be rude to and about Europeans?
I need a lie-down too I think!

Fawful - Your post does not make sense to me.
A random Leaver told you that you were islamaphobic? It's usually the Leavers who are accused of islamaphobia.

I can only hazard that Fawful is presenting here as being from France.

Yes, Europeans as islamophobic (see burqa row), which they can be, I agree, but I object to people being rude to us personally on this basis when they dont know us, or dismissive of the European project because of it. I'm just asking people to see it as a paradox.

Yes Brexit, sorry my post doesn't make much sense if I don't make it clear.

You couldn't make up that one of you on this thread posted 'Next time we get a stranger in we should all do that turn round and stare thing', which would be funny if it wasn't what some of us experience when we deal with members of the public and they realise we have an accent.

Fawful, that was in response to a poster who came on for no reason other to tell us all how 'hard working' she was.
Apparently 'working hard to sort out this mess' whilst we [leavers] were basically a bunch of wastrels.

So yes, people like that are thoroughly deserving of nothing more than a hard, and somewhat bemused & 'wtf' type of stare.

Well, sorry to hear you feel unwelcome because someone has called out a position taken on the Burkini but I don't think you can cite Brexit as the reason, as I am sure opinion is as divided in France on that issue as here. And people can legitimately express their objection to the EU project; you may hold a different view of course but you needn't be offended surely?

We are post deceit not post truth - good article.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/18/so-long-to-the-cheats-and-liars-of-so-called-truth-politics-brin/

Oh. It's Paul "bring back the death penalty" Nuttall.

Oh dear. Another article that doesn't make it through the Remainers filter.

I read it. He doesn't get what post-truth politics means, or is pretending not to. It does not mean that nobody in the history of politics ever lied before.

Haha, Paul Nuttalls of the UKIPs... always a voice of common sense

I didn’t see any vox-pops of people saying they were voting to leave because of some vague emotional reason, it was always for perfectly practicable, issues based reasons

Really, Paul Nuttalls of the UKIPs? We'll let the comma splice go for now (though I'm surprised the copy editor did), but here's the thing:

One person's 'perfectly practicable [by which I think you mean something else, as that doesn't seem the right word here] issues based reasons' are another person's 'vague emotional reasons' anyway.

Is he saying that 'I want to take back control and regain our sovereignty' is 'practicable and issues based'? Because that sounds to me like the epitome of a vague emotional reason.

And what planet was he living on, if he didn't see any vox pops of people saying 'I think there's too many immigrants now, I think we should close the gates, I think we should look after our own'? Or is that a 'practicable and issue based' reason as well?

Perhaps unwittingly, it might be that Paul Nuttalls of the UKIPs has made his point quite well here: if those things are now considered logical, practical, thought-through reasons rather than vague feelings, then yes, we are in a post-truth, post-fact, world.

This new era is about reclaiming the truth and is something great to celebrate, as the people are taking back control

This is the ultimate bollocks! Name one way in which the people can be seen 'taking back control'? What will 'the people' have control over, now they've 'reclaimed the truth'? It's meaningless tosh, the lot of it!