To think this could mean the end of brexit?

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Now MPs will be able to block it. Could this be the end of this ridiculous brexit? MPs can not vote for something that they think will not be in peoples interest and its very clear the people that voted to brexit would be the ones worse off.

JO'B is doing a fab job on LBC today and most brexiters seem to be happy that it might not go ahead as they were fooled by lies!

The vast majority of educated, better-off people, those you would describe as 'thinking'- voted Remain.

I didn't vote Leave, however that doesn't mean I assume they are stupid or haven't learned about the issues surrounding Brexit. They simply have a different opinion than me.

The problem is the referendum was a snapshot of what British people thought on a particular day. And it was fairly close - too close to hold it up as 'the will of the people' when nearly half of those who voted voted against it.

And the precedent set by a prime minister taking it upon herself to do something which impacts so many people without being subject to scrutiny, or even a plan as it seems, is terrifying. We have parliamentary process for a reason.

Brexit will still go ahead, I've no doubt about it, but it will go ahead with the MP's we voted in to represent us having a say in it, not TM and her cronies who seem to be only concerned about their own careers. That's far more democratic, I reckon.

frosty the High Court ruling was about British sovereignty.

frosty
Parliament chose not to make the referendum binding. So Parliament agreed to the referendum but in debating the wording of the the Act for the referendum did not agree to be bound by the referendum as they did not include the wording needed to make it binding.

Well Ginger let's think about why people voted to leave and what that means. Now remember, all member states within the EU have to agree on each and every term. Everyone of them.

Sovereignty: Well I think you will find that the Republic of Ireland might have a word to say about that - and rightly so!

Border Control/Open Borders: Ditto. See above.

Migration from EU members: Ditto. See above.

Trade agreements: Ditto. See above. Plus every other member of the EU. Twill be a tough one, and not even Ross Poldark can escape the consequences.

Just for starters.

4% difference in percentages is not the 'will of the people'!!!

Arghhhh

I'm still angsting as to whether I voted sensibly on June 23rd. On balance I think I did.

But seriously, if the government puts out literature saying that what the people decides 'will be implemented' and then doesn't implement the result because parliament - having handed the decision over to the population - doesn't like it... Why the fuck should I ever bother getting my sorry arse down to the polling station EVER again?

Yes, I see all the arguments about the sovereignty of parliament: but they handed this one over to the people. The people duly voted.

And if we have an election within the next few months, I will be amazed if Labour isn't wiped off the map. Have you seen the Tory poll lead?

Well Ginger let's think about why people voted to leave and what that means.

Oh FFS. It means they felt differently than you about Brexit. Quite frankly, with the comments that I've seen on here from you, the whole "Remainers are better educated" argument has flown right out the window.

Can I say that I saw posts from fellow Labour members, with loads of likes, who boasted about spoiling their vote on the day. I reside in the shires. These people all love 'revolutionary' style politics. Perhaps they can meet up with the Brexiters if Article 50 is not triggered (which might happen, don't ever discount it), and then they can start a revolution!

The Zimmer Facebook Frame revolution it shall be called historically.

Bring on that Tory Poll lead I say! Bring it on!

Do people still believe in Polls?

Is that your best intellectual riposte Ginger?

I'm quivering in me boots.

THere was a vote to leave. The MPs should respect that.

If the people that couldn't be bothered to vote had voted maybe the result would have been different..... that's the real issue here

Why do people say TM has no mandate? I really don't understand. She's leader of the party which got the most votes at the General Election, therefore she is PM, mandated by the population of voters, ie, us.

The fact that she wasn't leader of the party at the time of the GE is beither here nor there. She is leader of the party now and is therefore PM. Like it or lump it, that's how it works.

Many were clearly stupid. I don't care how 'old' that piece of information is.

In your opinion. Frankly, I've found that quite a few of them regard many of the Remainers as the ill informed ones. Different people, different opinions. I don't think it's helpful to dismiss everyone that doesn't agree with you as stupid. I'm happy to listen to people that have fair arguments without resorting to insulting those that differ in opinion. But if your entire reasoning is based on "I know better, therefore you other people are stupid knuckledraggers" then frankly, I can't be bothered to listen.

Is that your best intellectual riposte Ginger? I'm quivering in me boots.

I don't believe I offered it up as "intellectual riposte." Simply stating my opinion. I don't care if you're quivering in your boots or pissing in them, to be fair. Do what you like. See the above paragraph for clarification.

The referendum was never legally binding, as was made obvious at the time. People either didn't research a thing about it or maintained wilful ignorance if they failed to pick up on this before casting their votes. There's a crowdfunding page here if anyone would like to contribute to the Supreme Court defence against the Government's appeal.

^^no Thanks.

If it had been the other round and remain had won by a small majority would the remainders have allowed any challenges by the leavers? I think not.

Buzzy it's not about leavers or remainers. It's not about the EU.

It's about the sovereignty of parliament which has been upheld by today's ruling

I can tell you now that there will be an outcry if parliament vote against this.

Did someone threaten an 'outcry'?

Outrageous

I'd be amazed if parliament vote against it. What I would hope happens is that the government become accountable and have to involve other parties in their negotiations.

THere was a vote to leave. The MPs should respect that. (sic)

They may well respect that, but they are under no legal obligation to uphold the vote, which was merely advisory.

So if an MP votes for the referendum result in a constituency that voted to remain, what will happen to them come the (soon) next election?

MPs will vote how their constituents voted. And when it comes to Labour, that will be interesting but not as interesting as the Conservatives.

Let's not forget that the far right parties stood against Tracy Brabin, Batley and Spen, all under the banner of 'democracy' - feckers.