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Brexit

'The Brexit Arms' is now open. Friendly cosy pub with log fire for leavers & remainers to chat & ponder life, the universe, & Brexit.

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surferjet · 30/10/2016 16:43

You are all most welcome Wine

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surferjet · 03/11/2016 12:31

Yeah, just listened to IDS on R2. Voice of reason as usual.

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Bearbehind · 03/11/2016 12:34

Everything in life doesn't necessarily warrant a microscope or forensic analysis

true mango but if you're going to provide a song as an analogy to the situation using one that wishes you die in your sleep isn't ideal Grin

MangoMoon · 03/11/2016 12:52
Grin To be fair, sometimes that does feel like the best I can wish for!
WinchesterWoman · 03/11/2016 13:17

Time: I agree

WinchesterWoman · 03/11/2016 13:19

Anyway great economic figures today and may says preps continue for A50Grin

Bearbehind · 03/11/2016 13:21

In light of today's news I would imagine the leave camp have just won a few more votes from the 12 million undecided/no turnout voters and possibly, dare I say it, maybe even a few remainers

What makes you think that time?

time4chocolate · 03/11/2016 13:24

Let's not forget that we as a country will not be in a position to call the shots on this. Whilst parliament can approve a soft brexit over a hard brexit approach, the EU are quite within its rights to say 'sorry you are either all in or all out' and I suspect the EU would rather take a hit (which will be a gamble) if it prevents other countries trying to follow suit (which will lead to 100% certainty of a collapse).

time4chocolate · 03/11/2016 13:27

Just a snapshot of the comments I have been reading across the media (I hasten to add quick snapshot as I'm looking/posting from work whilst shuffling papers at the same timeWink)

RedToothBrush · 03/11/2016 13:28

I'm pissed off they're appealing tbh Storm, it's just dragging it out even more.
The ruling basically said (if I've understood it correctly) that parliament is sovereign and the PM cannot just make a decision without the consent of parliament as a whole.
This is a good thing, surely?
(For future precedence too - parliament is bigger than one person).

I'm glad that a Leaver has said this and recognises it.

I do not feel celebratory about the result. I just feel relieved because it means there will be greater accountability as a result. I do believe that lack of transparency - on all levels of government - from local to EU was a contributory factor in the leave vote and also have a real problem with this lack of accountability.

I am annoyed at the appeal for a few reasons. Not of which involve the fact the government might win.

Its the point that the government still think they should bypass parliament, the fact that its going to cost a fortune, the fact the ruling is not marginal but pretty compelling and difficult to argue against, the fact the ruling didn't really look at the claimants loss of rights as a primary reason for the ruling but because it was a constitutional principle on parliament being sovereign.

I just don't think that the government can claim a mandate on the basis of sovereignty on the one hand and then ignore this when it suits their purposes.

It does not change whether a50 will be invoked in my opinion. I think it will. HOW it is invoked is important though, as it will affect the deal we get as a result and how much consensus there will eventually be over that deal which is important for all our futures.

As I say, I just feel relieved.

BoredofBrexit Thu 03-Nov-16 10:31:38
It probably means a much longer period uncertainty for the economy, less than ideal.

Uncertainty and lack of confidence in the economy is being driven by three things: one is the period of uncertainty and one is the lack of transparency and the final one, is the appearance of seemingly reckless decision making. You can mitigate the problem of the period of uncertainty with as much transparency as possible and with a smooth process with greater consensus and more accountability.

A50 under Royal Prerog in a short period of time was as bad (if not worse) than 'dragging it out' in a more ordered fashion.

Frank Field is a prominent Labour leaver and is in favour of a long withdrawal process for this reason. Its not just 'remain thinking to stop Brexit'.

If we are going to leave, I think that this is the way to go.

StorminaBcup · 03/11/2016 13:30

time I agree that the UK isn't really in a position to call the shots on this one - I think that this challenge to delay triggering article 50 will only weaken our negotiations.

That said, what about the brexiters (or regrexiters) who voted to leave on the promises of the leave campaign and now wish they hadn't? Or those who opted out of voting? I don't see how the leave campaign could have won more votes.

Inkanta · 03/11/2016 13:30

'true mango but if you're going to provide a song as an analogy to the situation using one that wishes you die in your sleep isn't ideal'

Bear You have taken all the lyrics very literally. I thought the gist of the lyrics were very apt and I can relate them to my thoughts when I voted to leave.

WinchesterWoman · 03/11/2016 13:33

I spoke to a remain voter hoping it goes ahead as planned. Feels very uncomfortable about this

Fruitboxjury · 03/11/2016 13:43

Here's a question I have been considering - if the vote goes to parliament will there be a party whip or will all MPs be allowed to vote independently as they were in the referendum?

Also, has anyone seen any figures on constituency numbers?

My concern about a parliamentary vote is that FPP system and parliamentary seats are not proportionate to population. The referendum was conducted on an unprecedented absolute vote basis (which is one of the reasons it was a gamble that went horribly wrong).

What shape would the "winning" 37% take under a parliamentary vote assuming 100% of MPs took part?

Cxc78 · 03/11/2016 13:45

may says preps continue for A50

Excellent! what is she doing? blind baking her pastry?

surferjet · 03/11/2016 13:53

If we are going to leave, I think that this is the way to go

I really like your posts red even if I don't understand them Wink
But it's the 'if' in your last sentence that worries me, do you think not leaving is now a possibility?

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WinchesterWoman · 03/11/2016 13:54

Don't worry surf
We gone

birdybirdywoofwoof · 03/11/2016 13:55

In light of today's news I would imagine the leave camp have just won a few more votes from the 12 million undecided/no turnout voters and possibly, dare I say it, maybe even a few remainers

I know two brexitters who have died since the referendum. Just prolong it a few years and the brexit vote will be decimated.

Cxc78 · 03/11/2016 13:58

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surferjet · 03/11/2016 13:59

Cxc78

Smallfox, is that you?

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birdybirdywoofwoof · 03/11/2016 14:01

Brexiters love parliamentary sovereignty - that's why they voted leave, isn't it.

I can't understand why it's not party-time in here.

Cxc78 · 03/11/2016 14:02

No darling, I know you miss her but it is not me

Fruitboxjury · 03/11/2016 14:13

Dominic Raab very outspoken today, I wonder if he believes strongly enough in democracy to represent the 60% of his constituents who voted to remain when it comes to a parliamentary vote?

Bearbehind · 03/11/2016 14:20

Smallfox, is that you?

I wondered the same surfer

IamWendy · 03/11/2016 14:24

Hmm, adding a 'tard' into a word so as to insult leavers? That's definitely small fox.

InfiniteSheldon · 03/11/2016 14:26

What an offensive post Cx78 especially on mental health week.

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