Pro-Leavers - please help

[CeciledeVolanges]

Good morning.
I am following a lot of conversations and events about the referendum and there are a lot of assertions about "what the referendum was about" and "why people voted" and "what people want."
I just wanted to ask, neutrally, if you believe that we should leave the EU what good things do you want to happen or believe will happen when we do?
I can't account for anyone else, but I have seen some really nasty referendum threads and I often get upset about it myself, so I want to say I will not attack or even argue with anyone, I'm just interested to hear the wishes and opinions of people who want positively to leave. It is such an emotive issue - not least to me - and maybe there are some views we haven't heard yet.
Thanks if you do answer! And thanks for reading.

OK, the vote was to reject the EU, you weren't voting for a plan as we know. Brexit could take 10 years, we will no doubt go through a few prime ministers, we don't have any idea what will happen.

The Government already control who gets the quotas so what is going to change

Umm....the quota as dictated by the EU?

Surely you can see what you've done there.

Well said

The fishing quota is unlikely to change though is it, as it will be part of any deal.

Who gets them? Well the current government decide that, is that likely to change?

The fishing quota is unlikely to change though is it, as it will be part of any deal

I do believe you criticised me earlier for suggesting that I knew the future. Do you?

That said, it will be a good bargaining chip when then negotiations begin.

Oh so my point that it is likely that fish will still be under quotas and these will still be distributed by the UK is equal to your totalitarian state point?

www.bluemarinefoundation.com/2016/06/29/what-would-brexit-really-mean-for-the-uks-fishing-industry/

I point you in the direction of some of the information informing my point.

If we choose not to have quotas, then we would be depleting our own stock and this would mean a small short term gain for a larger fall later on.

I think Article 50 might cover how things like fishing quotas are apportioned. So there will still be some sort of quota, even if it falls under international rather than EU law. The fish won't necessarily know the details, and obligingly swim in the 'correct' waters.

Unlike Iceland and significant parts of Norway, we haven't got 200 nautical miles of open see around our coast, so we will be very limited as to how much fishing is possible.

I point you in the direction of some of the information informing my point.

I can use google as well, Small.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/07/brexit-vote-great-relief-for-uk-fishing-industry-lords

But user you miss the point that our territorial waters are very limited, so there is a limited area in which we can fish. Prior to the Cod wars Grimsby boats used to go to South East Iceland.

Really? You can, pity you can't distinguish between a source with vested interest in one opinion and an independent view.

www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/28/british-fishermen-warned-brexit-will-not-mean-greater-catches

There are many sources which indicate that actual catches won't increase, and that rights to fishing waters would have to be reciprocal.

Also who gets the quotas would still be decided by the government.

Only Remainists could think that getting back full control of our fishing areas could be a negative thing.

There are valid reasons for criticising the Common Fisheries Policy, but this is a separate issue. I question just how much of only having access to 12 nautical miles of sea is going to make a significant increase in capacity to our fishing industry. Or what is left of it, after the Government chose to sell our quotas to the Dutch and Spanish.

Mother - I worked for an int org on a fixed term contract with a special ID card and paid no tax or other charges at all, and certainly nothing to the commune. I am fairly sure my friends are in a similar situation. The Council may be different, I don't know.

I'm interested in this issue too.

The only people who go on about the lies spun by Leave politicians are Remainers. IMO leavers left for their own reasons, no one believes what politicians say at election/referendum time do they?

Mother - there are different types of ID card issued by Belgium, as far as I am aware. The diplomatic one, for diplomats accredited to embassies and int orgs, a special one for officials at int orgs and the regular ones issued by the commune. This being Belgium, however, there may be more variations!

So miss margin our saying no one was influenced by the politicians?

What a cop out, merely an attempt to excuse the lies peddled. By using more bs.

The only people who go on about the lies spun by Leave politicians are Remainers

I absolutely disagree. I have a couple of friends who voted Leave, but now feel too shamefaced to admit how gullible they were. They are sickened by what's happening now, but don't know what they can do about it.

Hypothetical friends maybe?

IMO leavers left for their own reasons, no one believes what politicians say at election/referendum time do they?

So... we couldn't believe politicians or experts because they're all lying and/or biased and/or corrupt, meaning the only truly valid way to arrive at a voting decision was an ab initio process of internal reasoning deliberately isolated from external influences .

However, once the voting decision has been reached, we are now to desist from any personal reasoning processes and place our trust in politicians and experts because they're not all lying and/or biased and/or corrupt.

Have I got that right?

Who is the hypothetical friends comments addressed to? If it's to me, I could PM their names to you, not that it would mean anything to you.