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MenMust · 29/08/2016 20:27

Having watched a documentary recently about the making of the London Olympics 2012 Opening Ceremony, I was reminded of the sheer skill, innovation and creativity possessed by this nation. This left no doubt in my mind that the UK is completely capable of making a huge success outside the EU.
The first thing the people of the UK need to do is to focus on positive outcomes and opportunities created by the historic decision to leave the EU. Everyone, including those who voted to remain, need to put aside all negativity and differences and anger. Whether you voted to exit or not, it is now going to happen and so all thoughts of doom and disaster are wasted energy and need to be put aside. Pessimism is a self-fulfilling prophesy and if you concentrate on what you think are the negative consequences of Brexit, you will drag the UK down.
Of course there is a risk to exiting the EU. However, there was always a risk to staying in the EU as it is a changing entity. A vote to remain was not a vote for the status quo. The UK will face challenges as it has always done and there will be those who lose out because of Brexit but there will also be those who gain. The EU however also faces an uncertain future. The Euro is in trouble and requires fiscal and budgetary union for any chance of survival. The EU’s economic performance has been poor and its share of world GDP is set to fall. It has failed to keep up with 21st Century globalisation and emerging markets. Further integration is not popular. The EU needs to change radically if it is to survive.
Now the UK has a new PM, Theresa May in place as well as a new Cabinet, the Government needs to appoint the best advisors and negotiators in the land who can help secure the UK the best deal with the EU. The Government should take its time to work out what the best outcome is for the UK before declaring article 50. The UK is in a good position to secure a favourable deal with the EU. We are the biggest importer within the EU and in fact import more from the EU than the USA. It is in the EU’s interest to work with us rather than against us.
The Government needs to ensure that our fishing industry regains rights of fishing areas that it has lost previously under the EU Common Fisheries Policy. EU laws that have had the effect of closing down fishing businesses and communities need to be reviewed.
It is important to remember that, although we have voted to leave the EU, we are still friends with our European neighbours and will continue to maintain a close relationship with them and support them in whatever way we can.
We should now open up to the rest of the world.
Our Government should secure and enhance friendships and relationships with other countries. They need to look at trading partnerships and free trade agreements (FTAs) with all countries we wish to trade with. Australia has already announced it wishes to look at trade deals with the UK. China and India are set to be the future trading powers so we need to start discussions with them. We could possibly forge a link with NAFTA (North American free trade bloc). We should look at our relationship with the Commonwealth and foster trade and agreements with our Commonwealth partners. The EU is the only trading bloc in the world that requires such stringent conditions on its members and this has stifled competition and productivity over a number of years rather than promoting it. We are the sixth largest economy in the world and so other countries will want to do business with us.
Our Government should ease its focus on achieving a balanced budget by 2020. Reducing our debt is still important but should now be done over a longer period and the Government should spend more money on capital projects to help counteract the slowing of growth. It should also look at reducing the tax burden further.
Our police and legal system should stamp down and eradicate racism and racist attacks on our fellow migrants as this is not acceptable. The UK is still a society that welcomes people of all ethnicities, cultures, religions and countries. Racism was not what Brexit was about.
The Government needs to ensure that all project funding commitments by the EU shall be stuck to until we have left the EU. Also, it should ensure that UK organisations and individuals are not discriminated by the EU leading up to our exit.
Once we leave the EU, the Government should commit to funding existing projects previously funded by the EU for at least another three years until it has a department or system in place to make decisions about continuing or ending project funding.
The amount that the UK paid towards the EU budget should be used for capital investment projects within the UK and also for improving and supporting the NHS. The capital projects to improve our infrastructure such as roads will help boost aggregate demand in the UK and help counteract any negative effects on GDP of leaving the EU. The Government should spend money to improve areas of our country that have been neglected or just need fixing.
UK exports will be cheaper due to the reduced value of Sterling. This is an opportunity to promote and increase what we sell to the rest of the world. We must take advantage of this.
UK imports will be more expensive due to the reduced value of Sterling and possible import tariffs. The Government could provide tax breaks to ease the burden on companies that import.
We should focus on buying British goods and supporting our businesses.
We have many of the greatest universities in the world and the Government should invest more via research grants to help boost our universities success even more.
The City of London has great financial institutions and London is one of the world’s top financial centres. It is renowned for its flexibility, resourcefulness, connections, highly skilled workforce, experience. The City with the support of the Government should ensure that it does everything so that it remains one of, if not the most attractive centre for finance in the world.
Finally, we, the UK need to stop underestimating what our country can achieve. Our history has shown what we can do. We still do and will continue to do. We were the pioneers of the industrial revolution. We invented the train, the telephone, the computer, the internet for example. We discovered penicillin, DNA, the laws of gravity. We have Shakepeare, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Charles Darwin, Stephen Hawking, The Beatles, Florence Nightingale, just to name a few! Football, rugby, cricket all came from our country. Our reach and influence is global. We are not a great empire anymore and we have no desire to be but our systems of politics, law, finance are duplicated around the world. So let’s not underestimate ourselves. I have great confidence in our younger generation to continue what previous generations have done. They are bright, intelligent, skilled, energetic, creative. They and older generations have the ability to make a success of our exit from the EU. We all just need to believe in ourselves and remain calm and confident.
We have been in the EU for 43 years, not really a long time in the scheme of things.
So let’s not be afraid and let us take this challenge on and show what we can do!

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Kaija · 06/09/2016 13:22

A vote on membership of the EEA would be a start.

smallfox2002 · 06/09/2016 13:35

Argh the referendum was advisory that is what parliament voted for. Which means it acts as advice, a small majority for leave, not overwhelming at all, means that there are many unresolved issues.

I want brexiters to show the courage of their convictions. You want democracy and sovereignty? Put it to Parliament.

Put it to parliament, and when it doesnt win a passable majority, which even if it had 3 percent more it wouldnt, you can say that democracy and sovereignty won he day.

But you don't want that, you want to ride roughshod over process because it suits you.

Corcory · 06/09/2016 14:00

Misti - The government will probably do as every other newly independent country does and that is pass all existing EU laws into our own laws and then sift through them afterwards and take their time getting it right in each area.
Here you go again Small advisory bla bla bla. I really don't care if they have a vote or not what I do think is it is a waste of parliamentary time.

Kaija · 06/09/2016 14:01

Democracy ain't what it used to be, that's for sure.

Figmentofmyimagination · 06/09/2016 14:06

Isn't there a petition for it to be put to parliament? I thought the whole idea of those petitions was that if 100,000 signed up, there had to be a debate.

smallfox2002 · 06/09/2016 14:10

Ah so you don't want democracy or sovereignty really. You also don't want control because your Scottish and despite Scotland voting to remain far more than he leave vote overall, you want it anyway.

See that's the problem your hypocritical.

smallfox2002 · 06/09/2016 14:15

Also you keep saying parliament voted for the referendum, but the bill it votes for says it's advisory. That's the legality of it.

Parliament needs to.enact in order for it to be legal.

I know you don't really understand this but I thought I might explain it, again.

SwedishEdith · 06/09/2016 14:19

This was quite funny

'Dominic Grieve's reaction to Owen Paterson's suggestion UK should convert all EU law to national law is the best.'

twitter.com/jrmaidment/status/772924547301515264

Peregrina · 06/09/2016 14:22

Since we agreed with the vast majority of the laws which were passed, only voting against something like 50, I believe, I cannot see why not. It really is the only practical solution.

Petronius16 · 06/09/2016 14:24

Corcoran the only laws in this country are UK ones passed by our Parliament. There are no separate EU ones.

Petronius16 · 06/09/2016 14:27

Sorry Corcory, didn't notice spell checker changed your name.

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smallfox2002 · 06/09/2016 14:32

Smith is incorrect. The EU can't start negotiating till art 50 is invoked. It's law, anything agreed wouldn't be legal.

I genuinely think that such a small majority on an advisory referendum should be put to parliament.

Especially one when promises made have been rented on already.

Corcory · 06/09/2016 14:36

We've been round in circles with this before Small. All the referendums in the U.K. are advisory but none of then have ever been re debated after the event. Imagine what the Scots would have said if Westminster said you had to have a debate ad think about it if they had voted for independence.
Scotland is in the U.K. small and we all voted to leave.

smallfox2002 · 06/09/2016 14:39

No we didn't all vote to leave. A small majority did, which means that it is still up for debate.

The Scots would certainly have been debated after the event, terms etc.

smallfox2002 · 06/09/2016 14:44

With a 2.9 or so majority you can't say it's conclusive or emphatic, especially when one side misled others.

It's now being used as political expediency by he tories because the EU has driven rifts in the party and this is their chance to power grab.

Corcory · 06/09/2016 14:45

Yes terms, that's what we'll be doing with the E.U. 'We' as in the whole of the U.K. Small.

smallfox2002 · 06/09/2016 14:48

The whole of the UK didn't vote out. This constant repeating of anew overwhelming majority is bullshit. 2.9 percent on an advisory referendum is not overwhelming.

smallfox2002 · 06/09/2016 14:50

And we won't be negotiating now.

Jess your understanding of all this is tenuous.

smallfox2002 · 06/09/2016 14:52

Jesus not jess.

The EU can't negotiate till art 50 is declared, and they have stated that there will be no informal talks.

Peregrina · 06/09/2016 15:07

I do think that once the Leave side of the Tory party have decided what it is they are aiming for, then yes, a debate should be held in Parliament as to whether Art 50 should be triggered. The blatant lies of the Leave campaign should be laid bare and be up for debate. Nor should it be a whipped vote - I would like to see those Tories who voted Remain either voting with their consciences or explaining to their constituents which arguments have persuaded them to change their minds. Not just voting like sheep to preserve the Tory party.

I suspect there will be some sort of informal talks - it's very difficult to see how there can not be.

Would there be civil disobedience if this happened? This is hard to predict, but most of the noise so far seems to be coming from either the extreme right wing or the racist factions, so I don't really think there would be.

Ideally I would also like to see some legislation passed to stop blatant lies being told in referendum/election campaigns - like the £350 million for the NHS or Turkey being on the point of joining the EU. This is not the same as a manifesto promise - those who bother to read manifestos know that they are wish lists.

smallfox2002 · 06/09/2016 15:20

There may be some individual talks going on with nations informally but not with the EU. The EU can't legally do.anything till article 50 is invoked.

Corcory · 06/09/2016 15:24

I didn't say they were going to negotiate before Article 50 Small.

Mistigri · 06/09/2016 16:42

Misti - The government will probably do as every other newly independent country does and that is pass all existing EU laws into our own laws and then sift through them afterwards and take their time getting it right in each area.

Uh ... "Every other newly independent country" passing existing EU law into the statute book? Which countries would those be?

Corcory · 06/09/2016 16:47

Misti - those countries would be countries who gained independence from us in the past.