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to agree with the positive Brexit plan below?!

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MenMust · 29/08/2016 20:27

Having watched a documentary recently about the making of the London Olympics 2012 Opening Ceremony, I was reminded of the sheer skill, innovation and creativity possessed by this nation. This left no doubt in my mind that the UK is completely capable of making a huge success outside the EU.
The first thing the people of the UK need to do is to focus on positive outcomes and opportunities created by the historic decision to leave the EU. Everyone, including those who voted to remain, need to put aside all negativity and differences and anger. Whether you voted to exit or not, it is now going to happen and so all thoughts of doom and disaster are wasted energy and need to be put aside. Pessimism is a self-fulfilling prophesy and if you concentrate on what you think are the negative consequences of Brexit, you will drag the UK down.
Of course there is a risk to exiting the EU. However, there was always a risk to staying in the EU as it is a changing entity. A vote to remain was not a vote for the status quo. The UK will face challenges as it has always done and there will be those who lose out because of Brexit but there will also be those who gain. The EU however also faces an uncertain future. The Euro is in trouble and requires fiscal and budgetary union for any chance of survival. The EU’s economic performance has been poor and its share of world GDP is set to fall. It has failed to keep up with 21st Century globalisation and emerging markets. Further integration is not popular. The EU needs to change radically if it is to survive.
Now the UK has a new PM, Theresa May in place as well as a new Cabinet, the Government needs to appoint the best advisors and negotiators in the land who can help secure the UK the best deal with the EU. The Government should take its time to work out what the best outcome is for the UK before declaring article 50. The UK is in a good position to secure a favourable deal with the EU. We are the biggest importer within the EU and in fact import more from the EU than the USA. It is in the EU’s interest to work with us rather than against us.
The Government needs to ensure that our fishing industry regains rights of fishing areas that it has lost previously under the EU Common Fisheries Policy. EU laws that have had the effect of closing down fishing businesses and communities need to be reviewed.
It is important to remember that, although we have voted to leave the EU, we are still friends with our European neighbours and will continue to maintain a close relationship with them and support them in whatever way we can.
We should now open up to the rest of the world.
Our Government should secure and enhance friendships and relationships with other countries. They need to look at trading partnerships and free trade agreements (FTAs) with all countries we wish to trade with. Australia has already announced it wishes to look at trade deals with the UK. China and India are set to be the future trading powers so we need to start discussions with them. We could possibly forge a link with NAFTA (North American free trade bloc). We should look at our relationship with the Commonwealth and foster trade and agreements with our Commonwealth partners. The EU is the only trading bloc in the world that requires such stringent conditions on its members and this has stifled competition and productivity over a number of years rather than promoting it. We are the sixth largest economy in the world and so other countries will want to do business with us.
Our Government should ease its focus on achieving a balanced budget by 2020. Reducing our debt is still important but should now be done over a longer period and the Government should spend more money on capital projects to help counteract the slowing of growth. It should also look at reducing the tax burden further.
Our police and legal system should stamp down and eradicate racism and racist attacks on our fellow migrants as this is not acceptable. The UK is still a society that welcomes people of all ethnicities, cultures, religions and countries. Racism was not what Brexit was about.
The Government needs to ensure that all project funding commitments by the EU shall be stuck to until we have left the EU. Also, it should ensure that UK organisations and individuals are not discriminated by the EU leading up to our exit.
Once we leave the EU, the Government should commit to funding existing projects previously funded by the EU for at least another three years until it has a department or system in place to make decisions about continuing or ending project funding.
The amount that the UK paid towards the EU budget should be used for capital investment projects within the UK and also for improving and supporting the NHS. The capital projects to improve our infrastructure such as roads will help boost aggregate demand in the UK and help counteract any negative effects on GDP of leaving the EU. The Government should spend money to improve areas of our country that have been neglected or just need fixing.
UK exports will be cheaper due to the reduced value of Sterling. This is an opportunity to promote and increase what we sell to the rest of the world. We must take advantage of this.
UK imports will be more expensive due to the reduced value of Sterling and possible import tariffs. The Government could provide tax breaks to ease the burden on companies that import.
We should focus on buying British goods and supporting our businesses.
We have many of the greatest universities in the world and the Government should invest more via research grants to help boost our universities success even more.
The City of London has great financial institutions and London is one of the world’s top financial centres. It is renowned for its flexibility, resourcefulness, connections, highly skilled workforce, experience. The City with the support of the Government should ensure that it does everything so that it remains one of, if not the most attractive centre for finance in the world.
Finally, we, the UK need to stop underestimating what our country can achieve. Our history has shown what we can do. We still do and will continue to do. We were the pioneers of the industrial revolution. We invented the train, the telephone, the computer, the internet for example. We discovered penicillin, DNA, the laws of gravity. We have Shakepeare, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Charles Darwin, Stephen Hawking, The Beatles, Florence Nightingale, just to name a few! Football, rugby, cricket all came from our country. Our reach and influence is global. We are not a great empire anymore and we have no desire to be but our systems of politics, law, finance are duplicated around the world. So let’s not underestimate ourselves. I have great confidence in our younger generation to continue what previous generations have done. They are bright, intelligent, skilled, energetic, creative. They and older generations have the ability to make a success of our exit from the EU. We all just need to believe in ourselves and remain calm and confident.
We have been in the EU for 43 years, not really a long time in the scheme of things.
So let’s not be afraid and let us take this challenge on and show what we can do!

OP posts:
Peregrina · 05/09/2016 10:44

One school in Nottingham has one child whose mother tongue is English.
Could you tell us which school this is? How does this affect you or your child's school place?

Why bring up the British expats, i.e. those immigrants who mostly can't be bothered to learn the language of the country they live in? Because they might find that they have to return home and make demands on the UK health system. The UK health system which relies on immigrants to run it.

twofingerstoGideon · 05/09/2016 10:54

Why bring up the expats in Spain, Trying?
To highlight the stupidity of comments like the one you made above: And they don't even want to be British. They don't want to integrate. If they did they would not have their own community centres.
What's sauce for the goose, etc. And the word 'expats' was used ironically by me; the Brits in Spain are immigrants.

Helmetbymidnight · 05/09/2016 11:02

Photos of G-20 leaders...Theresa May shunted to the back.

Don't they know we discovered penicillin?

Bastards.

GloriaGaynor · 05/09/2016 11:03

They don't want to integrate with us

I'm sorry but that's simply not true. Some communities won't let immigrants integrate. Particularly in more xenophobic or racist areas.

And given UK expats behaviour in Spain, and the old Empire communities in India and Africa etc I don't think the British have a leg to stand complaining about integration.

Kaija · 05/09/2016 11:11

Another one calling bullshit on the "they don't want to integrate" comment. Certainly not my experience of Eastern European friends and colleagues.

Barring a miracle, eu immigration is bound to fall as our economic prospects worsen over the coming months and years, so all of you community-centre-hating types can relax in the knowledge that your work is done.

GettinTrimmer · 05/09/2016 11:13

Trying what do you think 'indigenous' means?

Do you mean anybody who is already settled here, or racially 'non British' whatever that means?

I had my DNA tested and found out I have 15% British Isles genes, which I assume means Anglo-Saxon, the rest is Scandinavian, Southern European, Middle Eastern, Indian and African. I don't think I am 'indigenous!' Grin

Mistigri · 05/09/2016 11:29

What does integration mean anyway? I'm an immigrant. I don't feel totally integrated into my host community even after nearly 20 years. And I'm educated, speak the local language, and live in a house with two completely-integrated second generation immigrants (my teenagers).

DD would never say she's British, she is embarrassed to even admit it these days (post brexit). But I will never consider myself French even if I take local nationality.

Peregrina · 05/09/2016 11:38

I don't feel totally integrated into my host community even after nearly 20 years.

There are an awful lot of English communities where you are regarded as a 'comer' or 'incomer' unless you have lived there for at least 30 years. I
now live in a town in the south east which has grown massively within the last 30 years and it's lovely to be able to open my mouth, speaking as one with a slight northern accent, and not be asked "Where do you come from then".

Mistigri · 05/09/2016 11:43

That's true Peregrina. I have a friend who says she feels like an outsider - because although born locally she had the temerity to move away for a couple of decades.

whatwouldrondo · 05/09/2016 11:50

Trying You have either name changed or are reading from the same crib sheet as another poster. We have had the school in Nottingham highlighted before by a well off Home Counties Tory who had no direct experience of immigration. I know well a nearby borough that has faced a 20% increase in school place demand between 2013 and 2017 which is in part attributable to immigration but that is because it is a locus for non EU immigrants, whose numbers are already controlled to the extent that Vince Cable said that all Conservative Party colleagues, apart from Theresa May, agreed was harming UK business, science, research and universities. Immigrants tend to congregate in places where they have friends and family as well as work. If the funds raised from their taxes are not diverted to meet the need for resources then that is a failure of government but neither that or the level of non EU migration is an EU issue.

I can assure you that were you to live near or work with any of the Polish, Lithuanian or Latvian friends I grew up with who have gone on to successful careers you would not have a clue about where they came from apart from their names, and their fierce ambition for their children to do well in the education system (part of the reason London schools are doing so well in all the measures of effectiveness since the success of the London challenge is the proportion of hard working young people supported by their immigrant families). Of course they still enjoy their shared culture with family and friends, why wouldn't you? They also have a good line in self deprecating Polish cleaner jokes (and self deprecating humour and irony is not a feature of Polish culture). Britain is a country that has welcomed immigrants and their culture for hundreds of years. Fish and Chips for instance, fried fish bought in by Jewish immigrants from Spain and Portugul, chips from France. However Fish and Chips have been supplanted as Britains favourite dish by Asian stir Fries and Chicken Tikka Masala.

Indigenous means originating naturally in a particular place so unless somehow your ancestors managed to resist interbreeding with all the successive waves of immigrants from the Angles and Saxons onwards you are not indigenous. It is a meaningless term apart from a few native tribes in the rest of the world, and in the way being used by racists it is offensive

Bananagio · 05/09/2016 12:50

Can we call all the Brit style pubs in EU countries, Community Centres as well from now on? Seeing as how they are the Brit equivalent of such places IME of living in another EU country? Why so threatened by community centres? How can there possibly be any reason for this reaction other than Xenophobia / racism?

TheElementsSong · 05/09/2016 12:51

It's ironic that people complaining that "they" don't want to integrate for are the most likely people who would go out of the way to remind "them" that "they" are foreign. Hmm

And is it too soon to anticipate from fellow Leavers until there's a safe distance?

smallfox2002 · 05/09/2016 12:53

Oh the indigenous poster is back?

Funny.

Oh and the education thing you are wrong on, there was a baby boom in the late 2000, and as only 25% of births are to non British born mothers, you can't say that the problem is immigration. The Tory austerity program and the fact that new schools can't be built by LEAs has resulted in this issue, we have free schools opening in areas that have schools that have spare capacity, schools not opening in areas where demand is high. Oh btw official DofE statistics show that there are no areas where only 60% of children get their first choice, the lowest it goes is about 70% and there are no cases of children not being offered education in their borough/LEA in the UK.

You'd like to blame immigration, but that's cause your a xenophobe, not because of the facts.

Figmentofmyimagination · 05/09/2016 13:06

They don't want to integrate with us

Perhaps they just don't want to integrate with Trying and her friends, which, based on the attitudes on display, is not exactly surprising.

whatwouldrondo · 05/09/2016 13:13

smallfox Actually my borough was the only one in the country to fail to offer every child a place in Reception for September 2014. They eventually started school in the Spring term in a satellite class in a church hall 5min from a school. However as I have highlighted it was a deliberate failure of LEA planning to cater for school place demand that has been expanding consistently for over a decade in response to the success of existing schools. It has nothing to do with immigration. To be fair Free Schools are addressing the issues, even if in one case their "charitable trust" was set up by an education provider funded by petro Saudi money that was revealed by the Mossack Fonsecca leak to have flowed from corruption in Malaysia (just to give a little insight into the sort of investment that could flow even more to a post Brexit UK)

whatwouldrondo · 05/09/2016 13:42

Trying where does this fit into your narrative of non "indigenous" people failing to integrate in British life?

Even if getting elected as Mayor of London isn't good enough for you, it's a very good joke........

www.facebook.com/TimeOutLondon/videos/10153841929952405/

Petronius16 · 06/09/2016 08:59

MustMen before June 23rd did you believe the UK sent £350 million a week to the EU?

Kaija · 06/09/2016 09:27

One thing I'll say about the OP's plan: turned out it was better than David Davis'.

TheElementsSong · 06/09/2016 10:31

Petronius from many weeks of reading these boards, I'm given to understand that nobody who voted Leave did so because of the campaign and its promises, but rather because of their own meticulous personal research and careful consideration with absolutely no reference to any figureheads, slogans or red buses of any kind. The Leave campaign must therefore go down as the least successful marketing campaign in history Grin!

smallfox2002 · 06/09/2016 11:18

No one voted leave because of immigration either, no one voted leave because of the £350 million promise.

They all voted leave because of democracy and sovereignty and EU bureaucracy. Yet don't want a debate or vote on Brexit in parliament.

Kaija · 06/09/2016 11:22

If they liked EU bureaucracy they're going to LOVE Brexit bureaucracy.

smallfox2002 · 06/09/2016 11:33

Oh yes, all those faceless bureaucrats from Whitehall.

I also find it ironic that they claim its about taking back control, whilst imposing the decision on Scotland and Northern Ireland, thus giving their electorates no control.

tiggytape · 06/09/2016 12:32

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Corcory · 06/09/2016 12:55

Well said tiggy. Exactly what I think. I really can't understand what exactly they would be voting for.
We have already had a debate in parliament about the referendum and it was passed and it was run in the way that parliament voted for.

Mistigri · 06/09/2016 13:21

Brexit is necessarily going to involve repealing old laws and passing new ones. Are you suggesting that parliament shouldn't get a vote on that?! Shock

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