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MenMust · 29/08/2016 20:27

Having watched a documentary recently about the making of the London Olympics 2012 Opening Ceremony, I was reminded of the sheer skill, innovation and creativity possessed by this nation. This left no doubt in my mind that the UK is completely capable of making a huge success outside the EU.
The first thing the people of the UK need to do is to focus on positive outcomes and opportunities created by the historic decision to leave the EU. Everyone, including those who voted to remain, need to put aside all negativity and differences and anger. Whether you voted to exit or not, it is now going to happen and so all thoughts of doom and disaster are wasted energy and need to be put aside. Pessimism is a self-fulfilling prophesy and if you concentrate on what you think are the negative consequences of Brexit, you will drag the UK down.
Of course there is a risk to exiting the EU. However, there was always a risk to staying in the EU as it is a changing entity. A vote to remain was not a vote for the status quo. The UK will face challenges as it has always done and there will be those who lose out because of Brexit but there will also be those who gain. The EU however also faces an uncertain future. The Euro is in trouble and requires fiscal and budgetary union for any chance of survival. The EU’s economic performance has been poor and its share of world GDP is set to fall. It has failed to keep up with 21st Century globalisation and emerging markets. Further integration is not popular. The EU needs to change radically if it is to survive.
Now the UK has a new PM, Theresa May in place as well as a new Cabinet, the Government needs to appoint the best advisors and negotiators in the land who can help secure the UK the best deal with the EU. The Government should take its time to work out what the best outcome is for the UK before declaring article 50. The UK is in a good position to secure a favourable deal with the EU. We are the biggest importer within the EU and in fact import more from the EU than the USA. It is in the EU’s interest to work with us rather than against us.
The Government needs to ensure that our fishing industry regains rights of fishing areas that it has lost previously under the EU Common Fisheries Policy. EU laws that have had the effect of closing down fishing businesses and communities need to be reviewed.
It is important to remember that, although we have voted to leave the EU, we are still friends with our European neighbours and will continue to maintain a close relationship with them and support them in whatever way we can.
We should now open up to the rest of the world.
Our Government should secure and enhance friendships and relationships with other countries. They need to look at trading partnerships and free trade agreements (FTAs) with all countries we wish to trade with. Australia has already announced it wishes to look at trade deals with the UK. China and India are set to be the future trading powers so we need to start discussions with them. We could possibly forge a link with NAFTA (North American free trade bloc). We should look at our relationship with the Commonwealth and foster trade and agreements with our Commonwealth partners. The EU is the only trading bloc in the world that requires such stringent conditions on its members and this has stifled competition and productivity over a number of years rather than promoting it. We are the sixth largest economy in the world and so other countries will want to do business with us.
Our Government should ease its focus on achieving a balanced budget by 2020. Reducing our debt is still important but should now be done over a longer period and the Government should spend more money on capital projects to help counteract the slowing of growth. It should also look at reducing the tax burden further.
Our police and legal system should stamp down and eradicate racism and racist attacks on our fellow migrants as this is not acceptable. The UK is still a society that welcomes people of all ethnicities, cultures, religions and countries. Racism was not what Brexit was about.
The Government needs to ensure that all project funding commitments by the EU shall be stuck to until we have left the EU. Also, it should ensure that UK organisations and individuals are not discriminated by the EU leading up to our exit.
Once we leave the EU, the Government should commit to funding existing projects previously funded by the EU for at least another three years until it has a department or system in place to make decisions about continuing or ending project funding.
The amount that the UK paid towards the EU budget should be used for capital investment projects within the UK and also for improving and supporting the NHS. The capital projects to improve our infrastructure such as roads will help boost aggregate demand in the UK and help counteract any negative effects on GDP of leaving the EU. The Government should spend money to improve areas of our country that have been neglected or just need fixing.
UK exports will be cheaper due to the reduced value of Sterling. This is an opportunity to promote and increase what we sell to the rest of the world. We must take advantage of this.
UK imports will be more expensive due to the reduced value of Sterling and possible import tariffs. The Government could provide tax breaks to ease the burden on companies that import.
We should focus on buying British goods and supporting our businesses.
We have many of the greatest universities in the world and the Government should invest more via research grants to help boost our universities success even more.
The City of London has great financial institutions and London is one of the world’s top financial centres. It is renowned for its flexibility, resourcefulness, connections, highly skilled workforce, experience. The City with the support of the Government should ensure that it does everything so that it remains one of, if not the most attractive centre for finance in the world.
Finally, we, the UK need to stop underestimating what our country can achieve. Our history has shown what we can do. We still do and will continue to do. We were the pioneers of the industrial revolution. We invented the train, the telephone, the computer, the internet for example. We discovered penicillin, DNA, the laws of gravity. We have Shakepeare, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Charles Darwin, Stephen Hawking, The Beatles, Florence Nightingale, just to name a few! Football, rugby, cricket all came from our country. Our reach and influence is global. We are not a great empire anymore and we have no desire to be but our systems of politics, law, finance are duplicated around the world. So let’s not underestimate ourselves. I have great confidence in our younger generation to continue what previous generations have done. They are bright, intelligent, skilled, energetic, creative. They and older generations have the ability to make a success of our exit from the EU. We all just need to believe in ourselves and remain calm and confident.
We have been in the EU for 43 years, not really a long time in the scheme of things.
So let’s not be afraid and let us take this challenge on and show what we can do!

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PattyPenguin · 04/09/2016 16:58

The Japanese report was sent to the UK government and wasn't primarily meant for public consumption, I don't think. It means Theresa May and Co. will have to weigh up the likely actions of Japanese companies (and probably others) against doing what is acceptable to Tory Eurosceptics and Leave voters.

Oh dear.

Mistigri · 04/09/2016 16:58

It is only really preaching to the converted and will be disbelieved or crossly dismissed by many leavers.

The Japanese intervention wasn't aimed at voters, but at the government.

BreakWindandFire · 04/09/2016 20:55

If you want to see the original Japanese government Brexit taskforce report, it's here.

"Nearly half of Japanese direct investment intended for the EU in 2015 flowed to the UK"

It's not just cars and high-tech manufacturing. If the European Medicines Agency goes (and it has to when we exit), Japanese pharmaceuticals will follow.

Helmetbymidnight · 04/09/2016 21:00

Oh well, who needs jobs, we'll have our sovereignty!

MenMust · 04/09/2016 21:03

As far as I am concerned "indigenous" is an offensive non term

Sorry rondo, no offence meant. Was lazy language and the word doesn't really apply well to the UK anyway but I guess you knew what I was getting at.

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BreakWindandFire · 04/09/2016 21:14

Six EU countries have apparently started lobbying for the EMA to transfer it's 890 scientists to them. Including Ireland (Dublin or Cork), Spain (Barcelona, or attached to University of Malaga), and France (Lille) and Sweden.

Tryingtosaveup · 04/09/2016 21:26

Not all the bright young things voted remain. Both of my professional DCs, both based in London, voted leave,
Oh, and our economy has not tanked. The latest figures for manufacturing are up.
And we don't need immigration on the present level to shore up our economy. How are all the east European immigrants working in coffee shops and supermarkets shoring up the economy. Cobblers. The self employed plumbers and electricians are undercutting British workers. The asked me what the British guys quoted and gave me a lower quote.
And they are definitely putting pressure on school places. How can they not be? Some schools are large numbers of East European kids.
And they don't even want to be British. They don't want to integrate. If they did they would not have their own community centres.
I voted leave because of the immigration. Most leave voters want freedom of movement stopped.

GloriaGaynor · 04/09/2016 21:37

We need skilled immigrants to fill the jobs that we don't have skilled workers for (eg the car industry), and we need unskilled immigrants to do the jobs that British workers won't - eg seasonal agricultural work.

smallfox2002 · 04/09/2016 21:46

School places. 85% of children got their first choice school last year. That's how itshe not adding pressure. The vast majority of children born to eastern European mothers were born here and still live in the school area that they were born in. Oh and about 40 percent of them were born to British fathers.

Self employed people under cutting? Welcome to free market.economics, your going to see a lot more of it soon and not to the British benefit.

You voted out because of immigration? You're poorly informed and . ..

Peregrina · 04/09/2016 21:58

Most leave voters want freedom of movement stopped.
Most leave voters are going to be sorely disappointed. Theresa May has said that Britain is 'Open for business'. The Indian government would like to increase its trade with us, in return for visa free access for its citizens.

School places are a problem because of the stupid policies of the Government, not allowing Local Authorities an easy way to open new schools.

missmoon · 04/09/2016 22:03

Immigrants are more likely to be in work (and pay taxes) than the non-immigrant population. They contribute more than they take out in services. This is especially true for recent EU migrants (non-EU immigrants make a smaller contribution, or a small negative contribution, depending on their origin and the year they arrived). The fact that there is pressure on school places is due to bad planning and austerity policies that are ideological (= belief in a smaller state). All of this is well documented, you are very badly informed.

surferjet · 04/09/2016 22:10

Exactly Tryingtosaveup - we all know what you're saying is true.
( take no notice of the remain voters on this board, they have their own agenda - not sure what it is considering we voted out 10 weeks ago & Brexit is definitely happening )Grin

SwedishEdith · 04/09/2016 22:12

Immigration: Points-based system not 'silver bullet', says May

More realism emerging.

Off-thread, May always looks starstruck (which is quite endearing) and nervous. Understandably.

crossroads3 · 04/09/2016 22:12

And they don't even want to be British. They don't want to integrate. If they did they would not have their own community centres.

Why on earth wouldn't people have community centres? They can do this and become British, the 2 are not mutually exclusive.

crossroads3 · 04/09/2016 22:13

(And not sure why they have to "become British").

TheElementsSong · 04/09/2016 22:46

we all know what you're saying is true.

What, all of it? You're nailing your colours to the same mast in its entirety?

Even the use of community centres as dubious evidence of insufficient Britishness?

twofingerstoGideon · 04/09/2016 22:47

Bloody retired expats living in Spain. They don't even want to be Spanish and they live in ghettos and play lawn bowls and don't want to integrate. It's bloody disgraceful.

GloriaGaynor · 04/09/2016 22:47

I'm not convinced that 'they' don't want to integrate.

I've not encountered EU immigrants who don't want to mix with the British population. I live London, so I'm surrounded by immigrants. There's a significant Polish community now around where I live.

Sure, nationalities like to hang out together - because they share experiences and a language, but that doesn't mean they want to do so to exclusively.

What about the expats in Spain many of whom make no effort even to speak the language, and insist on eating their own ghastly food.

tiggytape · 04/09/2016 22:48

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smallfox2002 · 04/09/2016 22:57

The schools point covers the fact that the vast majority of kids get their first choice school place, not " schools are under pressure", yes some London schools have 60%, but lets be honest, the children of 4% of the population aren't causing that big discrepancy. The biggest thing causing school problems is the lack of investment post 2010, when we knew that there was a bit of a baby boom coming.

Brokenbiscuit · 05/09/2016 00:03

It implies that many Japanese firms are in Britain purely to have tariff-free access to the EU (and passporting rights).

I used to work in a role that involved promoting inward investment from Japan. Access to the single market was definitely the key attraction. An English-speaking environment was also a factor, but this was secondary.

If we leave the single market, we'll undoubtedly lose a lot of jobs. The people of Sunderland - and probably many other places around the country - will have to learn that they should be much more careful what they wish for.

I still feel very bitter about it all, as I know that we'll all end up paying for an almighty mess that I certainly didn't vote for. And then I see some of the really stupid posts on this thread (like the ones asking why people have community centresHmm), and it just makes me despair for the future of this country, for the future of my DC.

It's a strange one. I have no doubt that the Brexit voters will eventually realise how badly they fucked up, but there will be no satisfaction whatsoever for the Remainers in being proved right, because we'll all be stuck up shit creek without a paddle together.

smallfox2002 · 05/09/2016 00:11

Nissan are certainly in the UK for EU access, in fact Thatcher argued down Italian and do French disagreements about their access once based in Sunderland.

OrsonWellsHat · 05/09/2016 00:22

I wonder how many employees of Japanese companies in the UK voted leave?

smallfox2002 · 05/09/2016 00:38

Who knows? But in Sunderland where 7000 are directl employees, and another 20000 are indirect and in the supply chain I'd imagine that all votes remain.

When three quarters of what you make goes to the EU I bet you know what side of the bread your butter is on.

OrsonWellsHat · 05/09/2016 00:47

How odd, Sunderland voted to leave the EU by a big margin. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face Confused it makes no sense at all. There again nothing about brexit does.

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