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MenMust · 29/08/2016 20:27

Having watched a documentary recently about the making of the London Olympics 2012 Opening Ceremony, I was reminded of the sheer skill, innovation and creativity possessed by this nation. This left no doubt in my mind that the UK is completely capable of making a huge success outside the EU.
The first thing the people of the UK need to do is to focus on positive outcomes and opportunities created by the historic decision to leave the EU. Everyone, including those who voted to remain, need to put aside all negativity and differences and anger. Whether you voted to exit or not, it is now going to happen and so all thoughts of doom and disaster are wasted energy and need to be put aside. Pessimism is a self-fulfilling prophesy and if you concentrate on what you think are the negative consequences of Brexit, you will drag the UK down.
Of course there is a risk to exiting the EU. However, there was always a risk to staying in the EU as it is a changing entity. A vote to remain was not a vote for the status quo. The UK will face challenges as it has always done and there will be those who lose out because of Brexit but there will also be those who gain. The EU however also faces an uncertain future. The Euro is in trouble and requires fiscal and budgetary union for any chance of survival. The EU’s economic performance has been poor and its share of world GDP is set to fall. It has failed to keep up with 21st Century globalisation and emerging markets. Further integration is not popular. The EU needs to change radically if it is to survive.
Now the UK has a new PM, Theresa May in place as well as a new Cabinet, the Government needs to appoint the best advisors and negotiators in the land who can help secure the UK the best deal with the EU. The Government should take its time to work out what the best outcome is for the UK before declaring article 50. The UK is in a good position to secure a favourable deal with the EU. We are the biggest importer within the EU and in fact import more from the EU than the USA. It is in the EU’s interest to work with us rather than against us.
The Government needs to ensure that our fishing industry regains rights of fishing areas that it has lost previously under the EU Common Fisheries Policy. EU laws that have had the effect of closing down fishing businesses and communities need to be reviewed.
It is important to remember that, although we have voted to leave the EU, we are still friends with our European neighbours and will continue to maintain a close relationship with them and support them in whatever way we can.
We should now open up to the rest of the world.
Our Government should secure and enhance friendships and relationships with other countries. They need to look at trading partnerships and free trade agreements (FTAs) with all countries we wish to trade with. Australia has already announced it wishes to look at trade deals with the UK. China and India are set to be the future trading powers so we need to start discussions with them. We could possibly forge a link with NAFTA (North American free trade bloc). We should look at our relationship with the Commonwealth and foster trade and agreements with our Commonwealth partners. The EU is the only trading bloc in the world that requires such stringent conditions on its members and this has stifled competition and productivity over a number of years rather than promoting it. We are the sixth largest economy in the world and so other countries will want to do business with us.
Our Government should ease its focus on achieving a balanced budget by 2020. Reducing our debt is still important but should now be done over a longer period and the Government should spend more money on capital projects to help counteract the slowing of growth. It should also look at reducing the tax burden further.
Our police and legal system should stamp down and eradicate racism and racist attacks on our fellow migrants as this is not acceptable. The UK is still a society that welcomes people of all ethnicities, cultures, religions and countries. Racism was not what Brexit was about.
The Government needs to ensure that all project funding commitments by the EU shall be stuck to until we have left the EU. Also, it should ensure that UK organisations and individuals are not discriminated by the EU leading up to our exit.
Once we leave the EU, the Government should commit to funding existing projects previously funded by the EU for at least another three years until it has a department or system in place to make decisions about continuing or ending project funding.
The amount that the UK paid towards the EU budget should be used for capital investment projects within the UK and also for improving and supporting the NHS. The capital projects to improve our infrastructure such as roads will help boost aggregate demand in the UK and help counteract any negative effects on GDP of leaving the EU. The Government should spend money to improve areas of our country that have been neglected or just need fixing.
UK exports will be cheaper due to the reduced value of Sterling. This is an opportunity to promote and increase what we sell to the rest of the world. We must take advantage of this.
UK imports will be more expensive due to the reduced value of Sterling and possible import tariffs. The Government could provide tax breaks to ease the burden on companies that import.
We should focus on buying British goods and supporting our businesses.
We have many of the greatest universities in the world and the Government should invest more via research grants to help boost our universities success even more.
The City of London has great financial institutions and London is one of the world’s top financial centres. It is renowned for its flexibility, resourcefulness, connections, highly skilled workforce, experience. The City with the support of the Government should ensure that it does everything so that it remains one of, if not the most attractive centre for finance in the world.
Finally, we, the UK need to stop underestimating what our country can achieve. Our history has shown what we can do. We still do and will continue to do. We were the pioneers of the industrial revolution. We invented the train, the telephone, the computer, the internet for example. We discovered penicillin, DNA, the laws of gravity. We have Shakepeare, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Charles Darwin, Stephen Hawking, The Beatles, Florence Nightingale, just to name a few! Football, rugby, cricket all came from our country. Our reach and influence is global. We are not a great empire anymore and we have no desire to be but our systems of politics, law, finance are duplicated around the world. So let’s not underestimate ourselves. I have great confidence in our younger generation to continue what previous generations have done. They are bright, intelligent, skilled, energetic, creative. They and older generations have the ability to make a success of our exit from the EU. We all just need to believe in ourselves and remain calm and confident.
We have been in the EU for 43 years, not really a long time in the scheme of things.
So let’s not be afraid and let us take this challenge on and show what we can do!

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t4nut · 30/08/2016 00:23

Unfortunately half the things you flagwave about have already been affected negatively - for example British universities are being excluded from cutting edge international research, financial institions in the city have exit strategies in place and we've already lost more money than we pay out to the EU in the downgrading ofvoir credit rating.

But jingoistic leavers keep blindly waving that flag. Pity there are no machine guns for them to charge.

JellyBelli · 30/08/2016 00:30

Negativity isnt going to be what takes us down the pan. It really isnt.
People can moan and grumble, or cheer and wave little flags. It wont make the slightest difference to whether we succeeed or not.
We have very little actuall effect.

The politicians not having any plan in place or any idea what to do now is what will send us down the toilet.

Piscivorus · 30/08/2016 00:31

No chance of any positivity about anything Brexit related on MN!

I agree we are in danger of talking ourselves into a decline but I think there are a lot of posters on here who would be happy to see us all in the gutter just so they could say "I told you so"!

winkywinkola · 30/08/2016 00:37

I'm sorry but negative thinking or talk among the British public will have zero effect on the negotiations between May, her Brexit team and the rest of the EU.

Saying all this pessimistic chat will bring down the UK economy is utter cobblers and is another example of passing the buck. Naive rot.

It is also cobblers to say that those who voted remain should accept and move on etc etc. We will always debate, query, raise concerns. That is being part of a democracy too.

The op harks back to a very different era. Again, very naive.

JellyBelli · 30/08/2016 00:38

Piscivorus Thats the most negative post on this thread.

winkywinkola · 30/08/2016 00:39

And if asking exactly what is going to happen makes us spiteful spoilt children, then so be it.

I would rather hear some respectable plans for my Britain than some nostalgic blah blah blah.

winkywinkola · 30/08/2016 00:41

Please could someone explain in detail how people can talk an economy into decline?

t4nut · 30/08/2016 00:45

Well there is such a thing as a consumer confidence index. When faced with uncertain times spending drops.

winkywinkola · 30/08/2016 01:13

Uncertain times created by............?

But then it's still everyone else's fault, right?

Not those who created uncertain times.

Passing the buck yet again just like the Leave leaders.

Piscivorus · 30/08/2016 01:18

Jelli I must stress I do not feel that way. I feel there could be some real positives of Brexit if we can grasp them, but have seen some of the passionate Remainers on here express opinions like that. Read some of the threads in the EU referendum topic and you will see it

Selfimproved · 30/08/2016 01:35

UK might be the biggest EU importer, according to the OP, but that doesn't fill.me with confidence. That means we need stuff from the EU. When the prices increase we will either need to pay or look elsewhere - and I imagine we will look China or India. Prices here may be more affordable but not ethical. Once you accept the difference in ethics, does that mean we start working in a similar way ourselves? Probably.
Also, it's not in the EU best interest to make this easy for us. It's in the EU best interest to hammer the UK now and show the other member states that they will only reap the benefits by remaining.

Bearbehind · 30/08/2016 06:58

I think that was a thoughtful, true and interesting post.

Sadly, I don't think the tone of debate I'm still seeing will result in equally thoughtful replies

Really?

There was nothing 'interesting' or 'thoughtful' about it as it has no attachment to reality.

The whole 'plan' listed was just a wish list which essentially boiled down to the UK being allowed to have its cake and eat it whilst retaining a pot of money to fund everything the EU rebates did.

There can be no debate with a pointless 'plan' like this.

Can we have something realistic to be positive about?

Togaparties · 30/08/2016 07:16

I quite agree tametempo I wouldn't shit on a remainer if their life depended on it.

lostincumbria · 30/08/2016 07:26

The UK is the single largest export partner for the EU, but at 16%, I'm not sure it's a massive bargaining tool when you're trying to negotiate a deal which skirts around the four freedoms.

GinIsIn · 30/08/2016 07:27

What selfimproved said - how is it a GOOD thing that the we import a lot from the EU? That means we are dependent on them, not the other way around. We import 70% of our food and beverages for example, so by that logic brexit is us biting the hand that feeds us. That's not a good thing! Hmm

Bearbehind · 30/08/2016 07:36

I wouldn't shit on a remainer if their life depended on it

And who is behaving like children? Hmm

winkywinkola · 30/08/2016 07:51

I wouldn't shit on a Remainer if their life depended on it?

Wow. What a scuzzy person you are. Foul.

Bananagio · 30/08/2016 08:06

As I am now getting pretty desperarate to hear some positive leave PLANS (and no criticism for the shouting please - am just following the lead of Arron Banks army and co) can some kind leave voter point me in the direction of a forum or some such place where I can read about them? I am not going to pile on with a heap of criticism - I will just do what I have done here for the last 2 months and lurk and read every bloody post in the hope it will give me some feeling that the UK and selfishly me as a Brit living in Italy are not totally and utterly screwed! I keep reading that the Leavers have buggered off from the MN boards due to bullying Remainers giving them grief so where can I go to read about the potential outcomes of Brexit and how to get there from those who want it? Because when I have tried to google it all I get is more of the same stuff in the OP. Visions with no realistic idea of how to get there. And I say realistic because we have to take into consideration what the other parties are thinking and wanting not just what we want and from reading various other press forms from around the world I am not seeing any signs that the Rest of The World is joining us in a big YAY Brexit cheer! This is a genuine plea for where to go for info and if I sound angry and bitter when asking then sorry - but taking a rather large pay cut overnight (get paid in sterling and live in euros) and wondering if you be able to remain in the country you have lived in for over a decade, where your son is from and if you can stay, whether you will still be able to use public services etc can have a negative effect on your mood.

Oblomov16 · 30/08/2016 08:11

I see no 'plan' in OP. No details of what is actually going to happen.
How is Theresa May going to negotiate this tricky situation? The freedom of movement etc and the other things we 'want' are not acceptable to the EU, are they?

Give me details. What exactly are we going to try and negotiate?

Helmetbymidnight · 30/08/2016 08:16

Yet another leaver going 'c'mon everybody, we're so great, stop being negative, let's make a really cool plan!!!'

Brilliant, just brilliant.

albertcampionscat · 30/08/2016 08:22

Plan? Lovely. Right.

Single or controlled migration? Because you can't have both.

Next.. What's the plan for NI?

BombadierFritz · 30/08/2016 08:25

dont you dare try and shift the blame for a tanking economy onto the 'negative thinkers'!

Bubblebloodypop · 30/08/2016 08:28

I completely agree about the negativity not really helping. However it does seem you've said lower taxes, increase spending, decrease the deficit. Every politicians dream but we can't afford it.

MakeJam · 30/08/2016 08:31

It's a disaster and there is still no plan.

a few line spaces in that huge block of text would have helped.

Motheroffourdragons · 30/08/2016 08:35

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