LEAVERS - update on the 'invoke A50 now' petition. I have the reply.

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There are some Brexit voters who seem to think they won not just the Referendum, but also the right to decide how we leave the EU. Article 50 is not a Gold Medal that has been won by the Leave campaign. All the Referendum has determined is that our government should trigger Article 50 in accordance with our constitution.

That's all.

It's not the fault of the Remain voters or of the government that some Leave voters put two and two together and got five.

Corcory I for one respect you for simply answering and standing up in what you believe. That I may agree/disagree is inconsequential.
If I understand you correctly you think restricting out of Eu immigration in favour of within Eu immigration could be construed as more "racist". Fact is it could also be more racist to only include people from out of the Eu if you only allowed in white Aussies, Kiwis, South Africans, etc etc. So what is the controlled immigration based on? Ethnic quotas? Skill sets?

I will try not to behave like my ancestors (the Spanish Inquisition) but aside controlled immigration policies...I think TooTired analogy is very clear. I also look forward to your answer to her. Thank You.

Maybe Bear I posted before tootireds analogy came up. I have mentioned several other reasons for my leave vote on other threads but you seem to have forgotten that.

Corcory, it's not reasons for voting leave that people are puzzling over, it's what do leavers expect/want?

I'd be really interested in hearing your thoughts on TooTired's (excellent) house analogy.

So if you posted before the house analogy came up corcory why are you still ignoring now?

Also, if you've given several other reasons on other threads, why can't you reiterate them now?

I don't recall ever reading them, and it's not from a lack of asking for them

But of course she has a PHD in Economics so doesn't have to give me any facts when I ask for them!

The OP earlier denounced smallfox for being over-invested because they seemed to have files of answers for everything.

Today 00:34 TooTiredToTidy

Surferjet still not seeing any replies from you on what our shiny bright Brexit future is just more attacks on Remainers

I'm not actually glued to Mumsnet 24/7 - I have a job, a family, & something half resembling a life. I get on here when I've got spare time - sorry.
Anyway......in answer to your question. I don't know what the future holds? I can't give you hope or guidance because no one knows what will happen? I voted to leave the EU not to become the next Dalai Lama.

Maybe because I have got to give my two disabled children there tea Bear - that's why I haven't answered. Oh Small has 'answers' for everything! Elements but it's facts I'm after. Facts to prove that we are getting Brexit Lite that she and Bear are so convinced we are getting.

corcory, why do you come back to justify why you didn't previously answer a question but then still not answer it?

I'm really not sure why you're disabled children were relevant to that post either

surfer now you are back, please, please, please can you tell me why voting Leave was voting for the greater good.

So am I to conclude that anyone who voted Leave did so on a hope and a prayer that anything would be preferable to remaining in the Eu? How very convenient not to be able to forecast the future...how about an educated probability guess?
And the earlier statement that people cannot be held accountable for voting on something that didn't exist yet...really? What were all the debates about then? Pure hypothesis from Leave and Remain?
Unbelievable...you couldn't make it up if you tried!
Nevertheless it's still interesting to hear what the "vision" from Leave optimists is...

I can't give you hope or guidance because no one knows what will happen

That's reassuring.

Wing and a prayer...doh still getting my idioms wrong! I'm not the brain of Britain am I?

SoyYo, I didn't even notice that! I think my brain auto-edited it to 'wing'.

Maybe Bear to emphasize that most of us have other more important things to do sometimes than thinking up clever quips for you.

Elements but it's facts I'm after. Facts to prove that we are getting Brexit Lite that she and Bear are so convinced we are getting.

Yet another example of trying to deflect the questions and twist them around- it's actually become quite pathetic now.

corcory, you don't need a clever quip, you just need a fucking reason why Leave was worth voting for.

"God, you'd think it was F - - -ing the Spanish inquisition. I'm not on trial here you know."
Corcory, I think you've been brave continuing on this thread considering the unpleasant remarks and sarcasm which have been directed at you.
Why would leavers bother to defend their decision when sooner or later they will be accused of being racist.

Surfer the 'still' in my reply was to say you can find the time to attack and categorise remainers into rich Londoners who love being controlled etc etc but didn't answer the question i had asked twice.

Now you have I'm even more worried. No one is expecting the leave voters to be the Dalai Lama (although what is he a proxy of? Fortune tellers or Economic/Political experts?) your flippancy in your answer is what I find deeply worrying and why I like many others think such a critical decision should never have been asked of the general public (me included)

This referendum is the decision of our lifetime - I still cannot find any answers from leave voters on what they were voting for. This is a crazy long thread and you may not have had chance to look at my house analogy but if I'm correct in my assessment of your response is that you effectively decided to totally rebuild your house comfortable there is no plan, comfortable you have no idea what it will look like after, if it's smaller and not fit for purpose, what the cost of the rebuild will be, anything about whether you'll have the same rooms as before, just happy that you ticked a box to say yes I want a total rebuild. And I am speaking on behalf of my children, I don't need to know a plan, I'm not a fortune teller. We are rebuilding, that's all I know and want to know full stop.

I'd love to be a tradesperson or a snake oil
Salesman to the house :)

Corcoran please take your time with an answer. I genuinely am interested in your views.

surfer now you are back, please, please, please can you tell me why voting Leave was voting for the greater good

As I said, freedom of movement hasn't affected me, but it has had an impact on other people in terms of jobs. housing & schools. 4 other countries are applying to join the EU ( & I'm not including Turkey) so things will only get worse. I know freedom of movement works both ways, but I doubt many of us will be applying to live in Albania or Serbia.

The interesting thing about attitudes to immigration is that it is the areas with lowest levels of immigration that believe it to be the most problematic.

So while it is very altruistic of those leavers who haven't been affected by immigration to vote to curb it, ut couldn't be more magnifie

If TooTired is right in her assumptions (please tell us she is!) the decision to vote Leave is just perverse IMHO
I'm in a way glad I haven't visited the MN Brexit posts before...I'd honestly be really even more depressed with the sorry affair by now.
Best I go off and concentrate on my idiom language expansion

...misguided.

Those of us who live with high levels of immigration know it to be beneficial.

Please tell us TooTired assumptions are wrong I meant! Give up on posting from Mobil phone.
Apologies ladies

Kaija It's patently and painfully clear to me. I live in a high Eu immigration area (Fenland)
I'm frightened to open my mouth as the foreign accent makes me persona non grata...hence my xenophobia earlier comments