Anyone thinking of leaving the UK following the referendum vote?

[crazyhead]

Just curious really. Me and my husband believe quite passionately in the EU project and it feels as though we don't want to sit here and watch the UK leave. I watched my Mum die last year and I just can't bear the slow motion grief of seeing this as well.

So we're thinking of leaving the UK for a while. DH has an interview on Friday for a US job for starters (we'd prefer EU but fewer relevant jobs - and we've not got the ancestry for EU passports sadly).

Anyone else thinking of leaving?

Oh I don't mind if it does!

I've long been disillusioned with our lifestyle in Britain and wanted something more for our family. The financial implications of Brexit have just forced our hand. Not to mention the shitty attitude of many Brits post-Brexit.

If you really want to improve your lifestyle, I really wouldn't recommend moving to mainland EU..... but it's your life.

It is indeed, and having spent many years of my life on mainland Europe, feel I'm in a position to make this sort of decision. People want different things out of life, your advice is based on the things you deem important to your family, I'm guessing we see things differently there.

I too have spent many years living in MLE so also feel qualified to have an opinion. I love Europe with a passion, it's the EU I hate.

I would love to know why you are disillusioned with your lifestyle in the UK?

No one suggested you didn't have a qualified opinion, I merely pointed out that my own decision was based on my own experiences.

For our family it is life/work balance, that could be addressed whilst living in the UK but would have greater financial implications.

On a more personal note, which isn't to do with Brexit, I feel more comfortable here in our country of choice in MLE, we have 3 young children and they eat out with us and enjoy the lifestyle here. It is more family orientated here, and that is something that has always appealed for us.

And on a lighter note, I hate the weather.

Many areas of MLE will have major social and financial issues in the near future. Not to mention, and I'm being serious, a probable impending conflict with Russia (the missile shield systems being placed in Romania and Poland)

I wish you the best of luck.

And on a lighter note, I hate the weather

It's character building.

the friendly English-speaking gateway to the EU market

Which is why it will probably stay the same.

Which is why it will probably stay the same.

Or Ireland (and possibly Scotland) will benefit.

crazyhead Are you saying the science will not happen or just not in the UK. Your post suggests that Brexit will stop science happening anywhere.

Your post suggests that Brexit will stop science happening anywhere.

Dafuq? In what way does crazy's post suggest that Science will Stop in the UK or "anywhere"?

Britain faces financial and social problems in the near future, or do you think Brexit will deliver all the different things people who voted for it thought it would? That all the tickets to hate the leave campaign gave out can be put back in a box marked Brexit?

Lots of people voted for Brexit because they didn't want to be ruled over by an undemocratic european political elite who give zero fucks about the people of the UK.

There will be negatives and positives to leaving.

My only wish is that people would stop whinging, if you want to leave this awful, awful, country, go on and f**k off.

My only wish is that people would stop whinging, if you want to leave this awful, awful, country, go on and fk off.

Would this be your vision of a special, Great British version of a democratic society in which only positive discourse is permitted, on pain of exile? Perhaps people are "whinging" because they don't want this country to become "awful" and are saddened by recent events (see link above).

I'm sick of the hand wring and self pity. We've made a democratic choice so let's work together to make it a better place for everyone.

This country won't become awful because we're NO LONGER part of totalitarian superstate hell.

The only people who are really saddened are the neo-liberal middle class who don't live in shattered working class communities.

It's fine to push the lowest socio-economic groups, already hard hit by austerity, further into poverty? To strip deprived areas of much needed EU funding

You speak like the money we plough in every week doesn't pay for the "funding"

Some of you people are mental.

Dacc's comment "go on and f**k off." is the perfect illustration why some might want to leave a nation filled with people with such hatred

Fortunately I live in a country where the majority did not agree with such attitudes and which is not filled with such disdain and which has a hope (only a slight one at the moment) of escaping this madness with a more open, less xenophobic approach.

That's helping me to remain positive.

Dacc's comment "go on and fk off." is the perfect illustration why some might want to leave a nation filled with people with such hatred

Bollocks.

I don't hate anyone.

Apart from incessant whingers.

That's the thing you see, the people who are talking about leaving, whether they are the neo liberal middle class or not, and believe me the younger they are the more likely they are to be talking about it, are the people that deliver the UK's trading surpluses, those in financial services, in tech industries, scientists. If they fuck off the country is fucked because it will not be able to compete in the world economy against the China's and Indias who understand the value of their young talent and are planning on this being Asia's century and their chance to rise economically over the west. The world does not owe England and Wales a living.

How on earth am I being xenophobic?

You know I'm talking about people bemoaning "I'm going to leave the UK because it's now mean"

That has bugger all to do with xenophobia.

Right?

What,

You know the young, who you hold so much faith in, are currently running around the country chasing imaginary creatures on hand held data devices?

Also, you're aware that the EU wasn't able to strike up a trade deal with India, yeah? but they've already approached the UK?

Where on earth did I say that the world owed us a living? FFS

Er.... I think by whinging you mean 'don't agree with me'. Also, can I just say that I have never heard such an irritating series of characterisations of groups of people as I have since Brexit 'metropolitan elite' 'neo liberal middle class' what does that even mean? And that's before the immigrant bashing starts. Personally I'd be completely ashamed to lay into whole groups of people, especially made up groups. For what it is worth, I don't imagine that many people from the 'shattered working classes' you identify would be that impressed with your patronising attitude.

People aren't whinging. They are despairing. They are seeing the rise in acceptability of people voicing racism. They are seeing the risks to the economy. They are allowed to express concern.

And you are the prefect illustration of what seems to be going wrong with this country. Telling someone to guck off is expressing hatred.

I am doing something about it. I am supporting the campaign either for Scotland to somehow remain in the EU or for Scottish independence. I'm prepared to take baby steps.

I will continue to call out xenophobia when I see it. I will continue to call out hatred when I see it. I will continue to challenge incorrect assumptions when I see them (like the risk of TTIP).

I could re-acquire the citizenship of the land of my birth - but I don't want to. I want to stay here. This is my home. But people telling me to fuck off may change that -and might indeed cause me to "whinge". So you're right - I am whinging - but you're the cause. Catch 22.

Another option is for us to move to France (before any deadline ) as I speak French. But having lived there for a year, I'm not sure that I could cope with the bureaucracy (and dh even less so ).