Anyone thinking of leaving the UK following the referendum vote?

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Just curious really. Me and my husband believe quite passionately in the EU project and it feels as though we don't want to sit here and watch the UK leave. I watched my Mum die last year and I just can't bear the slow motion grief of seeing this as well.

So we're thinking of leaving the UK for a while. DH has an interview on Friday for a US job for starters (we'd prefer EU but fewer relevant jobs - and we've not got the ancestry for EU passports sadly).

Anyone else thinking of leaving?

Just about the only thing I can agree with is that some people in the city will make a ton of money out of the consultancy fest of Brexit, and out of speculating on market fluctuations and those with enough money to buy the right advice will not suffer. However doesn't really compensates for the tens of billions in surplus that the financial passport brings to the country or the resultant tax flows to the government. Trying's SIL does not a financial services industry make anymore than my SIL working in a bank in Leeds ...

But, I am well educated up to Masters level

Rather aptly demonstrates the urgent need for more funding

and live in the South East.

How very unfortunate for you and me both.

Yes, we intend to leave the UK when ds finishes secondary school. If the country continues to veer into overt racism, however, it will be sooner.

tribpot - but where will you go? So many countries have racist right wing factions.

I saw this mentioned in The Times and it's interesting that it was set up in the early hours when the result looked clear - aiming at young professionals I guess.

brexiles.com/blog/

I wonder if the terrorism on mainland Europe has put anyone off from living there? I know it's nearly impossible to rent a holiday cottage in Ireland, lots of germans and french staying.

Only if they are daft. With regards to terrorism western Europe has massively lower numbers than the rest of the world, also generally much lower numbers of deaths compared to 70s and 80s

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/28/there-is-less-of-a-terrorism-threat-now-experts-put-europes-summer-of-violence-in-context

No. Love this country and culture

I feel I am in a parallel universe.

We gave money to the EU, we got money back from the EU.

Now the money is staying here instead.

I have lived in many countries (not EU) - what's going to change?

Possibly scientists who worked in EU will now work in UK. We have some of the best unis in the world. Some scientists who went to the USA will still go to the USA.

Bleat, bleat, bleat, bleat, bleat. Gawd, bleaters hurry up and move out.

Think you'll find the opposite with regards to scientists- many who would have previously worked in the uk will now seek opportunities abroad. Funding and opportunities in UK science were severely limited by the last recession and have not recovered. I don't see the situation improving if scientists lose EU funding and we enter a second recession. You may call this doom mongering, but for scientists who have watched the research base being chipped away over the last 10 years (including much of industry shipping out) this is just what we've come to expect.

At junior levels it is relatively easy to find work abroad (Germany, Canada, US) and scientists are very much wanted by these countries so visas etc aren't an issue. Traditionally, many scientists go abroad for one postdoctoral position and then return to the Uk for a lectureship (bringing their skills and collaborations back with them). I think now they'll just stay abroad. There's zero incentive to come back here right now.

bleat bleat bleat

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The money might now been staying here but our cuddly neo-liberal / unrepresentative government is going to do little which does not further its own agenda IMO.

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Possibly scientists who worked in EU will now work in UK.

UK governments haven't had a particularly good record of encouraging Science, which is no surprise given that so many politician's seem to be Arts graduates. It's notable, for example, that a previous Director of the Met Office, Sir John Haughton is on record stating how Maggie Thatcher was helpful when the Hadley Centre for Climate Research was being set up. MT was of course a Chemist. Whether TM as a one time Geographer will bring a more informed approach to Science, remains to be seen. Geography is such a broad field - it can be studied either as a science or much more as a social science.

MissMargie Clearly you don't know any Scientists, or indeed anyone who works /studies in one of our top universities.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36835566

russellgroup.ac.uk/news/eu-referendum-result/

www.theguardian.com/science/2016/six-leading-scientists-give-perspectives-on-uk-science-after-brexit

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/29/stephen-hawking-brexit-wealth-resources

Apologies to Sir John Houghton - I spelt his name wrong.

Well, who needs scientists anyway? They're experts. All they do is bleat bleat bleat so they should hurry up and move out. Then and everyone who voices dissent.

Miss Margie, with all due respect, leave the science and research argument.

I work for one of the top universities you mention. British universities will suffer a great deal under Brexit - a consensus view in the sector. See any uuk or Russell group statement if you find this hard to believe. We get back nearly twice the funding we put in, students come from the EU to the uk because of our quality and an English language bias and EU membership gives us a critical voice in how research is shaped.

Universities provide the specialist education needed to make our workforce competitive. They provide work in many uk regions for many people, from professors to cleaners. And what's more, there are many great universities in the uk doing wonderful research - not just the elite ones - and the sector is one of the few where Britain really is very strong. Thanks to Brexit, we will be diminished.

You may hold anti-intellectual views (going to burn the books are you?) but one day you, or someone in your family may well receive life saving medical treatment that has been developed by pan European research collaborations. We desperately need good research to tackle so many of the problems we are facing. I find your attitude incredibly depressing.

I don't want to leave in any proactive sense, but yes, DP and I are thinking about it (v vaguely at the moment, not least because everyone in Westminster 'in charge' of this still seems to be having an arse-both-hands problem).

Partly because I think it can only be bad for the economy and therefore work and costs/standard of living. Partly because I no longer like the feeling of living in the UK as much as I always have; it seems we are an uglier place than I'd thought.

"The money will stay here": only if our economy actually makes money.

Like all the other EU countries are making money?
I think we are in the lead there.

Erm......like we were fifth largest economy after the US, China, Japan and Germany and now post Brexit we have already been overtaken into sixth place by France. And of course where we were making money, as a result of the financial passport, arising from our preeminence in Science and technology, that is all at risk from Brexit too.......

but where will you go? So many countries have racist right wing factions

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brexit-hate-crime-racism-immigration-eu-referendum-result-what-it-means-eurospectic-areas-a7165056.html

"The surge in anti-immigrant hate crimes seen after the EU referendum was particularly intense in areas of the country that strongly voted Leave"

It was on the cards for us anyway but DH's job has been, and ongoing it will be affected by Brexit, so we are just doing it sooner rather than later. I actually think the new timeframe will work better in regards to ages of DCs. We are out here now looking around and have secured a property for next year. We will just take it from there. I speak the language and have family here, DH is learning.

Please don't let the door hit you on the way out.

The EU project is doomed to failure unless you think the UK should have massive amounts of youth unemployment like Portugal, Italy and Spain - of the 50% in Greece.