Anyone thinking of leaving the UK following the referendum vote?

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Just curious really. Me and my husband believe quite passionately in the EU project and it feels as though we don't want to sit here and watch the UK leave. I watched my Mum die last year and I just can't bear the slow motion grief of seeing this as well.

So we're thinking of leaving the UK for a while. DH has an interview on Friday for a US job for starters (we'd prefer EU but fewer relevant jobs - and we've not got the ancestry for EU passports sadly).

Anyone else thinking of leaving?

Golly, Dacc, we could really do with your incisive observations on the "totalitarian superstate hell" and the sheer simplicity of international trade deal negotiations on, say, the economic effects thread.

(BTW doesn't MN usually frown upon referring to other posters as "mental"?)

Well if you are willing to tell your source of competitive advantage in the global economy to fuck off to satisfy your frankly slightly deranged hatred of a 27 member geopolitical bloc then clearly you do think that somehow the world is magically going to come to our door and prop up our economy as opposed to it declining to the level of Portuguls. India are not wanting to do a trade deal with the U.K. out of altruism and a wish to support the UK economy, it is because they see our market as an opportunity.

I give zero f**ks about what you think of my attitude.

There are millions of people in this country who wish they could leave the UK but can't because of the grinding poverty that they exist in. The EU has done exactly the square root of fuck all to help them (£50 million quid ((of our own money)) to build, for example, a footbridge doesn't provide jobs) and to hear the middle class incessantly whinge about how unhappy they are about the poor voting for Brexit really get's on my tits.

India are not wanting to do a trade deal with the U.K. out of altruism and a wish to support the UK economy, it is because they see our market as an opportunity

Well duh.

My point was that the EU couldn't broker a deal with them, despite the benefits. But the UK will.

And you are the prefect illustration of what seems to be going wrong with this country. Telling someone to guck off is expressing hatred

Nope, it's expressing despair.

Why are you even bothering to post on a thread where you deem everyone to be whinging?

Now you've tackled the EU, I wish you the best of luck with taking back your country.

Now you've tackled the EU, I wish you the best of luck with taking back your country

And the best of luck to you in what you think will be a better country than the UK.

Actually the government that WE unfortunately vote for is the one that has "has done exactly the square root of fuck all to help [those living in grinding poverty]"

The austerity, the lack of investment in schools, in hospitals, the demonising of the poor and vulnerable - that they will be incentivised by having money taken off them, the belief in "trickle down economics" - that making the rich richer (as they need more money to incentivise them ) will benefit everyone, the lack of support for manufacturing and its subsequent demise.....they were all our elected government's choice. Nothing to do with the EU.

It's the EU that has provided grants to deprived areas like Wales, Cornwall, the North East. You can't possibly be naive enough to think that the Government will replace that funding with the fabled £350 million a week that we'll supposedly save (but which never existed in the first place as we got a rebate anyway)

I pity you.

I am fortunate in having dual nationality, so if I felt I needed to move I would and I am grateful for it. My friend has just moved. He comes from one EU country (has been in the UK for more than a decade) and following Brexit, he and his family (UK born) have decided to move to a different EU country.

It's the EU that has provided grants to deprived areas like Wales, Cornwall, the North East

FFS, where do you think that money came from in the first place? That's right, the UK. Can't you do the basic maths?

Oh and the generally agreed figure is that we paid in around £265,000,000 pounds a week (net) into the EU, it's not to be sniffed at.

Right, try and get this into your self righteous head - IF THOSE GRANTS HAD ACTUALLY DONE ANY REAL GOOD - THE PEOPLE IN THOSE AREAS WOULDN'T HAVE VOTED FOR BREXIT. WHICH THEY DID.

Actually the government that WE unfortunately vote for is the one that has "has done exactly the square root of fuck all to help [those living in grinding poverty]

Wrong, don't blame the tories, this goes all the way back to the 90's and Nu Labour.

Are you aware how fast our population is growing, we just can't keep up with the demand.

Dacc why the EU haven't yet brokered a deal with India - are we going to roll over and accept protectionist policies and other barriers to trade whilst offering up our markets for a trade deficit with India?

"However, India's trade regime and regulatory environment remains comparatively restrictive (for example see the World Bank's Ease of Doing Business Index). India still maintains substantial tariff and non-tariff barriers that hinder trade with the EU. In addition to tariff barriers to imports, India also imposes a number of non-tariff barriers in the form of quantitative restrictions, import licensing, mandatory testing and certification for a large number of products, as well as complicated and lengthy customs procedures"

This sort of factual information is only a click away you know, or would that be dangerously close to expertise and actually knowing what you are talking about ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/india/

My only wish is that people would stop whinging

And yet here you are whinging... inaccurately...

EU has done exactly the square root of fuck all to help them

Rubbish.

To take two regional examples:

1. Cornwall was in line for 5bn of funding between 2000 and 2020.

Thus far it has benefited from: the Eden Project; £132m investment in fast broadband; three innovation centres; rail improvements; the development Penryn university campus; funding for - aerospace projects, geothermal energy, yacht builder Pendennis, clothing brand Seasalt, companies that specialise in marine energy, robotics and mining.

It's helped create businesses, jobs, educational opportunities, contributed to infrastructure development, and obliged Cornwall to clean up their beaches which has boosted tourism.

2. The N.E, which I mentioned upthread, pays £496m to the EU.

In return it has gained: £726 million in projects investment, £82m funding for NE universities with a 770 jobs boost from EU students, £7m European Social Fund and Youth Employment Initiative funding to support NEETs.

A friend of mine, who believe in the EU idea that we should all get to live and work (or get benefits if we need them) anywhere we would want in the EU, tried to explain his reasoning to me the following way.

Imagine if EU was Britain, and the UK was Birmingham (Or London, or Bristol, or any define area within the UK). Why would we want to restrict access to Birmingham and say that only people from Birmingham could live there? What if there was a Londoner, or a chap from the Peak District who wanted to live in Birmingham because life was hard in the Peak District and he could not find a job there but he could in Birmingham?

I get what he is saying, from the Pan EU perspective as EU as a whole and Britain a part of EU in the same way as Heartforshire and London are parts of Britain.

But that is by the by.

All you people who wants to move, your families are not 100% British? I mean, you have dual passports/nationalities and have the right to live and work in some other EU country?

If not, I should think NOW would be the stupidest time to go, as you would have to return if May decides to barter you off.

What,

The real stumbling block was BITS that were already in place with the UK, Holland, Germany and some easter European countries. That said, the UK can only benefit from a FTA with India, without all the baggage the EU possessed

A friend of mine, who believe in the EU idea that we should all get to live and work (or get benefits if we need them) anywhere we would want in the EU, tried to explain his reasoning to me the following way

What happens when there is no where left "good" to move to and everywhere is shit. Which is what will eventually happen.

Manon,

So why did the people in these areas choose to vote LEAVE?

Dacc How exactly? How is Britain going to develop that relationship as a trade surplus exactly? What goods and services will we have that have a competitive advantage in their market post Brexit, particularly if the tariff and other barriers to trade are not negotiated away? For sure India's growing economy will have many goods and services that they can offer this country that they can make more cost effective than we can domestically. The voice at the end of you customer service lines for banks, BT etc is no longer in Newcastle or Leeds are they?

IF THOSE GRANTS HAD ACTUALLY DONE ANY REAL GOOD - THE PEOPLE IN THOSE AREAS WOULDN'T HAVE VOTED FOR BREXIT. WHICH THEY DID.

Not so, because there was great lack of awareness in those areas as to what the EU was actually responsible for, and naivety that prompted belief of Johnson et al when they guaranteed that the money would be replaced by the government.

If they had been told, truthfully, that there was no guarantee as to the level post-Brexit funding, and that people making the promises weren't in a position to act on them, they may have voted differently.

Already Wales has been told by the government that it can't expect to match the level of funding it received from Brussels. It will simply received 'its fair share'.

IF THOSE GRANTS HAD ACTUALLY DONE ANY REAL GOOD - THE PEOPLE IN THOSE AREAS WOULDN'T HAVE VOTED FOR BREXIT. WHICH THEY DID.

I don't think anyone call fully say what all the Leavers voted for.

There was the assumption that Remain would win, that Cameron would pull off the victory as he did with the election, therefore some people that I know voted as a protest against Cameron, not realising the profound implications it could have.

In my area where we know jolly well how much support we get from the EU for scientific research there was a huge remain vote.

Is this why Greece, Spain and Portugal are in such a mess - because the UK got way way over it's entitlement to EU funding?? Certainly sounds feasible judging by the above.

Er.... No Miss Margie. And I think most people would say the issues the issues facing those countries - past and present - are pretty diverse

Is this why Greece, Spain and Portugal are in such a mess - because the UK got way way over it's entitlement to EU funding?? Certainly sounds feasible judging by the above

That made me laugh, thanks.

The voice at the end of you customer service lines for banks, BT etc is no longer in Newcastle or Leeds are they?

I've spoken to the AA and Natwest today. All British. I have a BT account and recently refreshed my services, again, British.

Personally, I'm hoping for a Scottish EU passport

Nat west laid off a lot of call centre workers in the north a couple of years ago, I know some of them. My most recent interactions with BT HSBC and Barclays were all with India. And of course front office outsourcing is just the tip of the iceberg, a lot of the back office operations of city firms that were in the regions have been moved to India too further adding to the unequal benefits of the financial services industry that flow to London. It is all the economic process that Maggie kicked off, let free markets rule and the service economy rise to replace manufacturing and all the other industries that employed people in the regions wither in the face of Foriegn competition, focus where we could add value in financial services, tech, high end machinery like gas turbines using a highly skilled workforce, and with access to the EU market, you know two things, young skilled people and the EU you have told to fuck off.

As usual all the promises of the riches that trade with the rest of the world will yield are not underpinned by any specifics about what exactly we plan to sell to all the growing economies (who by the way are mostly in their own trade blocs like ASEAN and Mercosur,) that wil bring jobs to the regions and avoid ending up in deficit to them.

And in charge of it you have arch free market libertarians like Fox. Good luck with that.

The great thing about having worked in the global economy in marketing, financial services or science / tech is that there are plenty of countries that will welcome you rather than resenting you, and from the millennial perspective shafting you as well. No loss of the triple lock whilst denying maintenance grants to students from low income families as of today. So from getting on my bike to seek opportunity beyond my northern town it looks like my family will end up split across the world but I am sure we will all be enriched by more adventures in other cultures ......