Brexit- still gutted by result

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Now on holiday in France. Handing over our EU passports was bad😰

Driving through France. Lots of the French Tricolour flag being flown alongside EU flag. That made me feel gutted too.

I just don't seem to be able to rally about it😟. I feel very keenly that we have lost that sense of unity and support.

Snivelling in a French gite atm☹️

Yes, the Brexit result is devastating, and is not going to get any more devastating as time goes by.

A lot of people are still in shock. "frozen in horror" is how I've heard insiders describe the business community. Once the shock wears off, it's all going to start unravalling really fast, then we are all going to feel worse and worse

12 hours to cross the border into France.....

I've read plenty willow and I'm still seeing time and time again the same old arguments..

it'll be fine

we want to make Britain Great again!

we've shown the London elite we have a voice and they can't ignore us now!

and none of it is making any sense

we now have a more right wing Tory government than ever, does anyone think they care about the north east of England or the working poor?

sheesh

I have t seen what you mention on here, or at any rate not very much, which is why I suspect there has been some selective reading :)

Haven't, not have t

That'll be my secondary modern education

There are numerous well educated and articulate women on here and some of them voted to remain and some of them voted to leave

Sad to say I haven't seen any educated, articulate reasons for voting leave on here (or elsewhere). Just half- baked, mis-informed cack.

well, we all read selectively, dont we? you didn't see what I have mentioned, doesn't mean I didn't!

we'll just need to agree to disagree

but before I go, genuinely I'm interested, what do the English or welsh voters think of the Scots who voted to remain? maybe you think we're all a bit thick?

Just to say my entire family is Scottish, except me - first generation English and they don't hate the English.

Although I have no evidence to support this, I was always told the Scottish education system is better than the English. Maybe that is the reason they supported remain. Also the Scots have always been an outward looking race, they are everywhere - poverty / the clearances spread them far and wide. I have family in Canada, Australia and USA.

Like others, I haven't seen any good arguments for leave on here. The fact that people who espouse the arguments believe in them and may well be 'educated' (whatever that means) doesn't make the arguments themselves convincing. It also doesn't mean I haven't read them - it means I disagree.

I'm also wondering what Scots you've met tbh. Oh you'll find anti-English sentiment in some places, no doubt. Equally, I've seem some utterly vile language when the Barnett formula is discussed, but I don't extrapolate from this that all English 'hate' the Scots. NM, best go and tell my technically English DP and very much English extended family that I can't stand them

I've answered you ssd - I don't think anything in particular other than that you had a different viewpoint to me. I also expected remain to win!

I've never met anyone who hated the English and if I did I'd give them a wide berth

we in Scotland are just genuinely mystified about the leave vote and nothing I've seen or heard since it has convinced me one iota either way

I'd love to read what the leave voters think of the Scots remain voters but I guess no one will answer me

ok, willow, x post there

anyone else?

I don't think we will leave. It will take years anyway and a lot can happen in the meantime.

I don't know that anyone 'thinks' anything of them as individuals ssd: after all, plenty of English people voted to remain. I suspect Scotland will ultimately cease to be a part of the U.K. anyway: whether it subsequently becomes part of the E.U. remains to be seen.

I hope you are right Ivydalegirl but I hate the instability of it all. In America, we have the prospect of Trump. Unprecedented unrest in the Middle East and terrorism spilling across into Europe. I really feel that stability is Europe and in the financial markets is needed and Brexit, or even the threat of Brexit is a destabilising factor

And yes, it makes me sad because if the demographic information is correct, many Brexitiers have grown up in a time of unprecedented peace and prosperity.

To quote from a (left wing) account of Corbyn's presentation at the last Labour NEC meeting:

The results were complex, but particularly in areas of post-industrial decline the vote gave people a free hit to say No to anything that they didn’t like.

I'm certainly not a supporter of Corbyn but you can't argue with this.

I was in France last week. I felt the same seeing the EU flag OP.

I'm another one who has yet to see a coherent, logical argument for Leave on here, or anywhere and I've been looking really hard.

ssd- I'm not a Leave voter, but my opinion on the Scots is that they've already had the Nationalist sentiment vs Economic reality debate and found in favour of the latter during IndyRef, so it's not surprising the same would happen in an EU referendum.

I'd be interested to hear from all the distraught Remainers how much campaigning they did. Because in my CLP, we couldn't get people to deliver, canvass or run stands in the high street for love nor money, while Leave ran a well-resourced ground campaign using their plentiful volunteers. It appears an awful lot of people (see this thread) were desperate to Remain, all the way up to actually doing anything about it.

IPity There are some of us who made exactly that argument but are not sincerely wondering whether a post-Brexit Britain with fairly right wing tories in charge is better than an Independent Scotland in EU.

BTW, I work in Financial Services. We dislike upheaval a whole hell of a lot. I voted remain for EU and in the Scottish referendum. I genuinely couldn't guarantee I would vote the same tomorrow re: Scottish independence. For me, a great chunk of the English and Welsh electorate seems utterly foreign to me in terms of their thinking.

Cuboid I didn't have to campaign. It seemed a complete no-brainer around here and the vote (75%) supported that. Believe me, if I had thought I could've influenced my English neighbours I would have.

My own English extended family and triends were all remainers (vast majority in a leave area), excluding one who is a bigoted arse (and it's in-laws so I am obligated to let him get on with it).

That should say 'I voted no in the Scottish referendum (and the EU membership was a big part of that)'

Such jealousy and bitterness about someone being able to afford a holiday in a gite. It's complete nonsense that "most people can't afford a holiday". If you Google this, you'll see that between 80 and 90% of British people have a holiday, most of them abroard. But, hey, in this post-factual era, we don't need to trouble ourselves with such details. Just a knee-jerk reaction based on feelings will do, and can be asserted as truth.

Exactly LordRothermere.

Bags of meat.