Brexit- still gutted by result

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Now on holiday in France. Handing over our EU passports was bad😰

Driving through France. Lots of the French Tricolour flag being flown alongside EU flag. That made me feel gutted too.

I just don't seem to be able to rally about it😟. I feel very keenly that we have lost that sense of unity and support.

Snivelling in a French gite atm☹️

I totally don't understand the NE voting out.

I was home this weekend and at a large party, we had lots of "one in the eye for London" remarks made at us, you know cause we live there we represent London.

Genuinely I don't get why they think that, the North East is going to suffer more without EU funding, even if we are net contributors the EU was able to do things that wouldn't be politically possible for the UK government. When you add the 500 million the NE got from the EU between 2010 and now, to the rest of the money it got it is so far in tax deficit it is ridiculous, it won't be a vote winner to spend lots of money on the North East, its going to get less!

I was home this weekend and at a large party, we had lots of "one in the eye for London" remarks made at us

I'm in the Midlands. You cannot begin to imagine how sick people are of Londoners boasting about how rich their house is making them.

Allowed by whom - I didn't phrase that well. There was only one Remain camp as far as I know. The Leave campaigners should have been under the same banner. The end result is that they got much more exposure.

Well what the fuck does London house prices have to do with the EU?

See if you voted out as "one in the eye" for London, you wasted your vote.

London will still be a wealthy city, the Midlands, will likely suffer more.

I'm in the Midlands. You cannot begin to imagine how sick people are of Londoners boasting about how rich their house is making them.

Nobody in the Midlands with equity in their homes? Nobody in London renting, unable to afford to buy? More wonderful Brexit logic.

London will still be a wealthy city, the Midlands, will likely suffer more.

I know this.

However, telling people this is not effective politics.

We needed an effective campaign line. We didn't find one.

Now, having lost, we need an effective opposition to do everything possible to minimise the damage, as much as is possible. And instead we get a stupid Trot (two Es at A Level, booted out of poly for not being up to it) slugging it out with a non-entity for control of what is the only party realistically able to form an opposition, which is in the meantime completely paralysed.

However, telling people this is not effective politics.

I'd say telling the truth should be very effective.

We needed an effective campaign line. We didn't find one.

If people didn't want to believe experts telling them Brexit would bomb the economy thats their problem.

Now, having lost, we need an effective opposition to do everything possible to minimise the damage, as much as is possible. And instead we get a stupid Trot (two Es at A Level, booted out of poly for not being up to it) slugging it out with a non-entity for control of what is the only party realistically able to form an opposition, which is in the meantime completely paralysed.

The Tories caused the mess, the Tories can fuck it up further with some sort of Brexit lite cop out. JC is doing just fine.

I don't think Owen Smith is a non-entity, I don't think Corbyn is useless either. There are studies out there showing that there is very clear media bias aganist him.

There was a good line, that we are better off in! That we benefit from all sorts of things, it was spelled out.

Unfortunately the voices shouting louder made it out to be a very different argument, making promises they couldn't keep, using the elites narrative, blaming immigrants for the bad state of wages etc. Using emotive language, "Take back control" "independence day" very much mimicking the successful Trump campaign.

I'd say telling the truth should be very effective.

Yeah. Because if there's one thing that the British public in 2016 associate politics with, it's truth-telling.

If people didn't want to believe experts telling them Brexit would bomb the economy thats their problem.

As I stated upthread, the same experts said exactly the same thing about not joining the Euro, and were clamorously wrong, and the same experts entirely failed to predict 2007. Even better than "Trust me, I'm a politician" we have "trust me, I'm an economist".

Well the Treasury and the Bank of England all advised against joining the Euro, as did the IFS and many other institutions. But keep repeating the untruths.

2008, was predicted by a few, but because it was much more difficult to do so because the banks and others held so many assets off balance sheet, or were valuing assets incorrectly.

Are you sure you were a remain campaigner?

What has Benefits and Public services got to do with the EU Gloria?

Nothing, like I said - cuts to them will follow the Leave vote due to its economic consequences.

The idea that the poor cannot be worse off after Brexit is sadly an illusion. They actually have the most to lose and will suffer the most from the economic downturn.

I'm bracing myself for the punishment 'fiscal reset' rebranded budget.

May has promised cuts to public spending and to reduce the deficit which is now reaching eyewatering levels.

Gloria, I hadn't heard TM saying anything about cutting spending, in fact the opposite. She seemed to be indicating that the austerity we have been having for the last few years was not something she was going to continue.
Why on earth do you say the deficit has 'now reached eye watering levels' it's the lowest it has been for years.

"As I stated upthread, the same experts said exactly the same thing about not joining the Euro, and were clamorously wrong, and the same experts entirely failed to predict 2007."

No one can predict the future, not even "experts". Who predicted the fall of the Berlin Wall? The collapse of the Soviet Union? The fact that the Internet would change the world? The AIDS tragedy? The rapid decline of dead tree newspapers?
Incidentally, genuine question, why was it wrong not to join the Euro?

She seemed to be indicating that the austerity we have been having for the last few years was not something she was going to continue.

No- she said something along the lines of we won't think of it as austerity, we'll think of it as living within our means.

That implies it's not even going to be given a 'special name' it just will be a fact of life.

Sorry that doesn't make any sense, my bad for posting at 1 in the morning.

The deficit jumped by £80 billion following Brexit vote and the trade deficit with the EU reached a record high just before it.

May said the government would 'continue with its intention to reduce public spending and cut the deficit'.

Essentially, austerity is getting a rebrand.