Brexit- still gutted by result

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Now on holiday in France. Handing over our EU passports was bad😰

Driving through France. Lots of the French Tricolour flag being flown alongside EU flag. That made me feel gutted too.

I just don't seem to be able to rally about it😟. I feel very keenly that we have lost that sense of unity and support.

Snivelling in a French gite atm☹️

And ssd because Scotland have a left wing vocal and dogmatic representative in parliament which the English working poor don't have. Different priorities :)

No I think that Scotland is generally better informed as to the benefits of the EU.

Scotland isnt as taken in by crap as some parts of England seem to be

we dont have different priorities, but we sure don't vote the tory liars in, we aren't stupid.

Ah ok, so it's that England is a bit thick, like? Must be the secondary moderns

parts of it must be to vote leave and think its a protest vote that will help the poor

No more likely to irritate the better off and it has hasn't it.

See so the ugly racist attitudes which were behind Brexit (remember people, not everyone who voted out was racist, but all racists voted out!) and have unleashed nasty and unfounded abusive stereotypes about someone's ethnicity or country of origin and we hate this. Yes?

And yet the above is acceptable? I cannot help but feel if I had made the above statement - that part of (any country other than England) must be thick because - I would be deleted and flamed, and rightly so, because it's rather a nasty statement, ssd, and really ill becomes you.

Now, voting leave was not for everybody a 'protest vote to help the poor' - as you presumably know given you're a MN regular, there were many different reasons why people voted Leave.

It was not to 'help the poor' in the way perhaps you think, but to be honest, if you were not convinced by anybody else, you won't be convinced by me, and I don't really want to speak at length with somebody who makes judgements on my intelligence based on the country I was born in.

I'm English and I ain't whining.

Ah, so it's acceptable to be racist towards the English because one English Mumsnetter isn't whining? I'll stfu then!

The English aren't a race.

So it's all right to state that the Scottish are morally superior - and intellectually too - because of how they voted?

I'm not personally offended, mainly because it's such a daft argument (well we scots are better than you because we voted 'in') but given that the pro-EU stance has leaned heavily towards an insistence that THEY are not racist and that THEY welcome those of different nationalities, the irony in drawing a distinction between the intellectual abilities of two different countries was not lost on me.

Are we not a race? I want to be a race. What race can I be?

Talking of daft arguments....

I'm just back from a self catering holiday (shock horror) in north wales. Very middle class of me, but I couldn't help noticing that the EU paid for fab and v popular tourist attractions eg the lovely restored Caernarfon to beddgelert narrow gauge railway. Perhaps an appreciation of the EU role in funding it's tourist industry was one reason why Gwynedd was alone in the non-metropolitan areas of wales in voting to remain in the EU.

Ironically. inbound tourism will be the one area of our economy that may in fact gain from brexit, as only the wealthiest will be able to afford to leave the uk with the plummeting pound (how very equalising), and overseas visitors will find us satisfyingly cheap.

Nice to see that the EU is getting the blame for national policy decisions.

On the agency workers, you know it was EU legislation that means that employers have to give you the same pay and terms and conditions as permanent employees? There is a host of other regulations that benefit workers too.

According to the LSE the low pay growth of recent times is not down to immigration, but down to the effects of the 2008 crash. The bottom 5% of workers will see their pay fall 1.9% if there is a 10% increase in immigration in their area, everyone else sees their pay rise. If immigration were responsible for low pay, why when immigration from the EU8 was high between 2004 -2008 did almost every type of employment see pay rises?

The defence of the poor is actually a mendacious argument, its incorrect, and an attempt to cover up the real reasons for your leave vote.

All the working class people I know have plenty of holidays abroad. I know one family very working class family who go away 5 times a year. And the poorest people I know voted remain. Fucking stupid stereotypes.

It's simply not true that the EU only benefits 'elites' or 'the middle classes'. Whilst I respect that there were many different reasons people chose to vote leave, for poorer places in receipt of EU funding (Cornwall, parts of Wales) to vote leave was a bit like a turkey voting for Xmas IMO.

TBH I also don't recognise the idea that only wealthy can afford to go on holiday. I do recognise people are less well off than a few years ago, but I know plenty of people in very ordinary jobs who go on holiday. Perhaps it depends where you live

get offended all you like willow, anyone I know up here who voted remain think the majority of English voters who voted leave are either a bit thick or racist.

as an aside, I wonder what the English voters who voted leave, think of the Scots who voted in the majority to remain?

and be honest, I was.

Not in the least bit surprised. As every Scot I've ever met has hated the English.

Don't give a monkey's personally.

Good luck.

I'm not offended, I just think that in labelling English voters thick or racist you're being a bit racist yourself.

I honestly don't think anything of the scots in a nationalistic sense, any more than I think anyone who voted remain did. I think they had valid reasons for their vote and respected it. I was not, am not, a die hard Leaver - I accept there are positives to being part of the E.U. but on balance felt leaving was best. I imagine that everyone voted according to their beliefs and I genuinely don't get worked up about it. I certainly wouldn't dream of making a generalisation about a whole nation of people based on how they voted!

^You would feel grateful that you can afford to go abroad and stay in a fucking gite in the first place.
Most people in your 'Home Country' can't afford a fucking holiday abroad. They can't afford to go on holiday at all.

And that's why they voted leave.^

what a nasty nasty post.........

Oh, and of course, once leave is a fact, everyone can afford to go on holiday - ha! Get real.

I'd put forward the theory that the reason is cos of austerity brought in by the Conservatives, used as a smoke and mirrors for the "faults" of the EU by the "Outers". Who basically can't get their head around the idea that we are in the 21st Century....

Don't lay into the OP just because she is on holiday! jealous much?
She has every right to feel what she does.

they dont hate the English, dont put words in my mouth, even if it suits you

the Scots I know dont understand the brexit vote and any thing we've read or seen on tv about the counties who voted to leave have given us the impression that these people are either a bit thick or racist.

and nothing I've read on here has changed my mind....there is no plan, no recognition of whats been happening with the economy since the brexit vote, just a general we'll be fine fingers in ears mantra coming out.

Selective reading, ssd

There are numerous well educated and articulate women on here and some of them voted to remain and some of them voted to leave. I do not accept that you have not read one compelling argument for leaving the EU, even if you happened to disagree with the content.

As every Scot I've ever met has hated the English

why? what Scots do you meet? I've never met a Scott who wasn't warm and kind and friendly towards the English.