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To feel really positive about leaving the EU

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kitty1976 · 13/07/2016 22:59

I know there has been lots of fear stories but in a few weeks since the vote we have managed to get a new PM who seems more than capable and we are now in control of our destiny without being ruled by an unelected and unaccountable EU. The EU has for a long time been a basket case and has condemned much of the youth of Southern Europe to decades of unemployment, it's a relief to be out. Do remember we are now free to negotiate our own trade deals with the rest of the world and most countries are not in the EU and seem to do well. There have been so many fear stories which have been peddled by self interest. I wonder in 5 years time how many remainers will be asking to rejoin the EU!!

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ItsABanana · 14/07/2016 01:34

OP, are you me?!

It's lovely to be patronised so much for having a different view, no wonder so many people voted leave and got fed up with being patronised and talked down to.
This is where people are seriously failing to see where it all wrong. The patronising shit, the shouting down etc, is exactly WHY the UK voted to leave.
I voted remain, but like to see the positive. I think being able to negotiate our own deals with the rest of the world and not banned from doing so could be a good thing.
As for "post in the right forum, it's not hard" posts - that's a laugh. The whole of MN has been absolutely awash with bloody referendum threads for months, whether it be AIBU or chat. Or does that only mean desist if you're of another opinion?

ilovesooty · 14/07/2016 01:35

I still would like to know who we're going to trade with and why we can do it more profitably outside the EU.

And I think a lot of people have an over inflated idea about how influential and important our tiny country is.

Alisvolatpropiis · 14/07/2016 01:36

Well quite, Glasto.

JudyCoolibar · 14/07/2016 01:37

why do you think everyone wants to come here , from all corners of the world, rich and poor?

They really don't, you know, donthaveto. Have you fallen into the trap of believing what you read in the Mail and Express? For instance, didn't you notice the fact that more refugees from Syria actually aimed for Germany, presumably because their employment prospects there were considerably better?

thecatfromjapan · 14/07/2016 01:38

I say again: If you voted 'Leave' on the basis that you felt talked down to, or patronised, then you are, frankly, a bit stupid.

The one and only rational reason to vote 'Leave' was because you thought 'Leave' was the better option.

If you voted 'Leave' because all the talking made you feel stupid ... you are.

"Do you feel angry/annoyed/patronised/belittled?" was not a question on the fucking referendum paper.

donthaveto · 14/07/2016 01:38

Judy.. Kitty is not, not responding to you , she set out her case in her opening bid - she's asking why shouldn't we be optimistic? and I for one fail to see why we can't be.

Alasalas2 · 14/07/2016 01:38

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Devilishpyjamas · 14/07/2016 01:40

Good things about the EU?

It allows us to live & work within the EU (& a lot of British do exactly that).
Educational exchanges - esp at university level
Joint research - loads of research money comes from the EU (that's already going as EU partners are dropping British universities on joint research applications because they don't know whether they'll be able to keep any awarded money)
Free trade
City Passport scheme - which has allowed London to generate so much money (we don't actually manufacture much to export now)
Funding of deprived areas - such as Cornwall & Wales
Lots of funding for regeneration

That's just a few ideas.

OP you sound like a certain family member who just says stuff isn't happening when it is (for example she thinks universities are just making up issues about grants etc & really they're fine). I can't talk to her about it anymore because it is like she is saying 'la la la la I'm not listening' to any negative consequence of Brexit (& let's face it there are many - some of which are already affecting our family - she just refuses to believe they're happening).

thecatfromjapan · 14/07/2016 01:40

I'm fed up of being told to feel love for people who voted to set in motion a car-crash just because they 'felt patronised'. That deserves to be called exactly what it is. Enough with the hand-wringing.

Devilishpyjamas · 14/07/2016 01:42

But what on earth are you optimistic about? Unless you're loaded enough to have large amounts of savings to see you through job loss & a tanking economy I don't see how anyone can be personally optimistic - even if they're a rabid eurosceptic.

Alisvolatpropiis · 14/07/2016 01:46

We reclaimed our sovereignty Devil! I'm sure things will feel very different now given that we never fucking lost it, but yay, sovereignty! Oh and democracy! Just say sovereignty and democracy over and over again until they essentially have no meaning and you'll probably feel like a Brexiter.

JudyCoolibar · 14/07/2016 01:47

I think being able to negotiate our own deals with the rest of the world and not banned from doing so could be a good thing.

Trying again with the fourth - or is it the fifth - leave proponent. ItsaBanana, there's plenty of evidence that there is no upside to having to rely on the rest of the world for trade. Have a look at this and this for example. On what basis do you say it could be good, and how will that be achieved?

scoobyloobyloo · 14/07/2016 01:48

Even now I find the naivety and ignorance of the leave campaign exasperating.

Kitty - the FTSE is high because interest rates are due to be cut and the Bank of England have hinted at quantitative easing because a recession is looming.

People are rushing to put their money in higher yield stocks rather than let it languish in savings. This high will not remain a high...

Jobs will go, cuts (ontop of those we have already had) will be very deep.

It is easy to be optimistic when you don't understand the impact of the leave vote.

Alasalas2 · 14/07/2016 01:49

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JudyCoolibar · 14/07/2016 01:53

This is a discussion, donthaveto. Plenty of people on here have answered the question why we shouldn't feel optimistic, it's perfectly reasonable to ask why people like you feel we should. You all seem strangely reluctant to answer - although, to be fair, you at least had the honesty to say that no-one could tell us why. But perhaps you can understand why it's a bit frustrating to be told that we should be happy when no-one can actually give us a reason for that and the vast majority of the rest of the world think we're insane to have voted Leave. I'd love to feel optimistic, I really would.

Devilishpyjamas · 14/07/2016 01:56

Oh yes of course Alis. I now know why Churchill (as he seems to get dragged out a lot) was against direct democracy. Seems he was wiser than Cameron....

Alisvolatpropiis · 14/07/2016 02:04

Until recently I'd no idea we were living in a direct democracy, roll with the punches though eh?

donthaveto · 14/07/2016 02:04

Judy.. I only read the Guardian and The Independent, online. And people from Syria would prefer either - Germany or the UK . And I voted with the same knowledge as the rest of you but was a tad braver than a lot of you, were who I believe only voted IN either out of fear or for self serving , that's as bad a reason as any other. No, I don't profess to know everything but I believe in Britain and I prefer to be British than European . If Cameron and his ilk were so sure that an out vote was to be so massively detrimental to this country then he should never had had the referendum in the first place - but I truly believe that Cameron was a Leave body at the beginning of all this. And I apologise for my grammatical errors with my ' . And ' . I am knackered now and have stayed up far too late , so thank you and good night I wish you all well.

thecatfromjapan · 14/07/2016 02:09

You make voting 'Remain' out of fear for the outcome of leaving, or because remaining in the EU is in our interests sound like a bad thing ...

And I am equally sure that Cameron put the Referendum out there because no-one thought anyone in their right minds would vote for the 'sabotage the economy' option. More fool him.

But thank you for stating your reasons. That is generous of you. Sincerely - no sarkiness there. It's interesting to hear reasons why people voted the way they did.

donthaveto · 14/07/2016 02:11

You can still live and work in the EU you know, no one is stopping you , you can still go to EU universities, you can even go to American Universities as did my cousin - the world hasn't ended - yet.
Unions of this country have done far more for workers rights than the EU , vote Labour and you will be OK and my battery is at 10% now and I have to go.

chemenger · 14/07/2016 02:11

I am currently on holiday in the US and everyone I have spoken to here is almost literally open mouthed with astonishment at what we British have done to ourselves (and very apprehensive that they might similarly vote Trump in).

hotcurrypowder · 14/07/2016 02:16

Judy, perhaps you are new to Mumsnet? Here, telling a poster to fuck off is considered a personal attack and it will be deleted.

GarlicStake · 14/07/2016 02:26

You can still live and work in the EU you know, no one is stopping you

It'll be as easy as going to live & work in Australia or America. You know, you'll have to prove you're totally essential and the job couldn't be done by a native. Your finances will be checked. You'll need work permits and residency permits. You may not be allowed to buy property. You won't be entitled to use the health service.

Except that we probably will negotiate reciprocal arrangements, because we want Europeans coming here to live & work, so perhaps things won't change that much.

Mind you - with Boris as foreign minister (and head of MI6!) anything could happen: he's well capable of pissing off every country in the world, starting major diplomatic incidents and conceivably even wars. If he does, I hope the pissed-off nation declares war on us before we leave the EU, as the rest of the Union is obliged to defend us.

donthaveto · 14/07/2016 02:33

ThecatfromJapan - plugged in' back again' can't leave this.
No I'm not saying that is a bad thing at all, I am saying - just be honest about why you voted remain and stop vilifying people who voted Leave by accusing them of being either stupid or racist or both . I have a niece who's husband is from Sri Lanka and I have close relatives who are lawyers and non of them were sure which way to vote either .
I listened to business people both for and against and I made my mind up on the same information as you and my decision was to Leave in the belief that the great UK can do OK on its own, Norway manages.
Kitty was just saying Ok the decision has been made lets be positive and I appreciate that people may lose their jobs - welcome to the club - I don't hear any body worried about the TATA jobs that will be lost purely because of the wonderful EU.

donthaveto · 14/07/2016 02:47

Garlic stake - I didn't say it would be easy - so what, it may be a tad harder but you will still be able to go . My lovely (Indian) I might add as I'm sure it will be relevant to some one, have just emigrated to Canada - lucky things - you will be able to do all of these things. Another good point could be that the preposterous price of housing may go down so that some one one day may be able to afford to buy a house again , just a thought. I've still not heard anything about the EU/Sate that will add more to most people's lives in the UK that can not be managed outside of it , we are the 5th richest country in the world and we still have food banks . In the past 2 years I have been approached by three young men in three separate parts of the country begging for money, not young men on drugs, but young single men who have no family to help them - please tell me what the EU has done for them.

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