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To feel really positive about leaving the EU

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kitty1976 · 13/07/2016 22:59

I know there has been lots of fear stories but in a few weeks since the vote we have managed to get a new PM who seems more than capable and we are now in control of our destiny without being ruled by an unelected and unaccountable EU. The EU has for a long time been a basket case and has condemned much of the youth of Southern Europe to decades of unemployment, it's a relief to be out. Do remember we are now free to negotiate our own trade deals with the rest of the world and most countries are not in the EU and seem to do well. There have been so many fear stories which have been peddled by self interest. I wonder in 5 years time how many remainers will be asking to rejoin the EU!!

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Sooverthis · 15/07/2016 08:21

Thanks for clearing that up Crazy now I know I'm too stupid to vote on my own future I'll just pop down to the coal shed and sit there til I'm suitably regretful awfully sorry to upset the gravy train

TheElementsSong · 15/07/2016 08:33

I'm too stupid to vote on my own future

Sigh. Because that was clearly what crazy was saying. If she was talking about particle physics would you be just as outraged about "experts" on a gravy train?

time4chocolate · 15/07/2016 08:37

OMG Crazy - Did you read that back to yourself before you posted. I've read some Shock posts over the weeks (and from both sides to be fair) but that one's up there with the best of them. I came very close to giving you my first ever biscuit Wink

TheElementsSong · 15/07/2016 08:42

that one's up there with the best of them.

Which part exactly?

Yeeeoooo · 15/07/2016 08:54

Pretty sure all these top experts in academia, universities etc who all receive EU funding are not biased!!!! They also probably compete for social housing and working class jobs and most certainly don't have private health or education for their children so will also compete for those services!!!!! All you thick plebs should just listen to them! As far as having a vote about it why bother? Just trust the experts to do what's best for you!!! It's been good for you lazy stupid types so far, hasn't it?

urkelina · 15/07/2016 08:55

Do people listen to their doctors anymore? Is that an expert opinion that is still held valid? Or does it just apply to academics that say brexit is not that great? (probably not skin of their nose anyway....)

Happyon · 15/07/2016 08:59

Not too stupid so, just hopefully aware that some people know more about stuff than you do. I wouldn't argue with dentists about teeth or mechanics about engines because they are the experts. But great for you that you can.

As for the gravy train argument, you do realise that most university science researchers could make loads more money in the private sector to in US universities but stay in our under-funded universities to do gravy train stuff like curing malaria. But what do they know, bloody experts.

Underparmummy · 15/07/2016 09:03

I read the other day that we are now entering an era dubbed at this early stage as 'post factual politics'.

I wonder if its an internet thing? Easy access to tiny amounts of information on everything? Suddenly we feel like we just don't need experts?

Yeeeoooo · 15/07/2016 09:04

Oh also, my partner sub contracts for 17 large multinational ftse 350 companies and they are all creating 1000jobs each!!!! Rejoice, all there unnamed directors are in agreement that brexit is just terrific and I myself work in a university where all the really really smart types all say brexit is going to be the best thing like totally ever!

Now there will be no mention of this in the news and I most certainly won't be naming any of these faceless companies but everyone trusts a anecdote here.

ginghamstarfish · 15/07/2016 09:05

I agree that we should be optimistic about the coming weeks/months/years re Brexit. Yes I am sorry for anyone who has lost their job due to this. I voted leave, not because of any short term benefit for me and mine but for the good of the country. I too have a house and a job.

Happyon · 15/07/2016 09:05

And guess what, very few academics get EU funding. Being an academic doesn't maker a person superior and not being one doesn't make someone stupid. The only person suggesting that is so.

TheElementsSong · 15/07/2016 09:05

who all receive EU funding are not biased!!!!

Please show your evidence that academics in receipt of research funding (clue: that would be all of them) are corrupt. Or is it just experts who don't tell you the answer you want who are corrupt?

Also please show where crazy said anything about "all" "thick" or "plebs". Could it be that some people are putting words into other people's mouths in order to manufacture a false sense of righteous outrage? Hmm

RufusTheReindeer · 15/07/2016 09:06

The team is us!!!!

Am i right snow it is early for me

Am i right, am i, am i?????

twofingerstoGideon · 15/07/2016 09:08

that most university science researchers could make loads more money in the private sector or in US universities
I think that could be said for the majority of academics in all subject areas in UK Universities, but most of the ones I know have a genuine passion for passing their knowledge on to younger people. But... biased bastards eh?

Chris1234567890 · 15/07/2016 09:09

Those who can, do. Those who cant, teach.

Even academics agree with that phrase. Just saying.

twofingerstoGideon · 15/07/2016 09:18

Oh also, my partner sub contracts for 17 large multinational ftse 350 companies and they are all creating 1000jobs each!!!! Rejoice, all there unnamed directors are in agreement that brexit is just terrific and I myself work in a university where all the really really smart types all say brexit is going to be the best thing like totally ever!

What an intelligent, insightful post.

dragonsarebest · 15/07/2016 09:18

Snowbells your football analogy was brilliant!

time4chocolate · 15/07/2016 09:18

Ps. However, I think I can see where you are coming from (at least I hope this is the case) but I don't think that comes across clearly. There was very little completely neutral information out there and when you start mentioning intelligence and knowing your limits I think that will hit a nerve with people (and as I said up thread you can turn an article to fit your viewpoint). We were given a vote on a simple yes/no question, this never was a simple yes/no situation but we had to get on with it. In the words of Michael Caine this was only supposed to ".......blow the bloody doors off" but it's done much more than that. Holding people accountable is fine but the blame is falling at the feet of the wrong people, it needs to go higher than ground level.

twofingerstoGideon · 15/07/2016 09:20

Those who can, do. Those who cant, teach.

More trite shite. That Stephen Hawking for example - he definitely can't 'do' and had to resort to teaching at Cambridge.

OhtoblazeswithElvira · 15/07/2016 09:25

Chris123
It's can't
Or maybe that's not a fact, either Hmm

Yeeeoooo · 15/07/2016 09:30

Happyon

Actually yes, the amount of times a dentist has tried to charge me for unnecessary work or a mechanic has tried to change a part that I knew didn't need it is crazy, surley you don't go to these people with blind faith? Doctors are wrong regularly also, believe in yourself, we now have the entirety of the world's collective knowledge accessible from the very device you hold in your very hand, vested intrests are a real thing.

Again how is opening the UK'Seconomy up to the other 90% of world trade such a bad thing?

How is leaving the EU who has seen it's share of world trade more than half from 1980 such a bad thing?

How is forcing employers to pay more and offer better conditions to fill roles in their businesses instead of stripping some devolving eastern European country of the brightest and most able people they desperately need a bad thing? The same employers who make up the 1% who have seen their wealth grow faster than any other period in history directly due to the income inequality that the freedom of movement, or as I call it the freedom for the rich to treat people like cattle created.

twofingerstoGideon · 15/07/2016 09:33

we now have the entirety of the world's collective knowledge accessible from the very device you hold in your very hand, vested intrests are a real thing.
You do know that not everything on the internet can be counted as 'knowledge'? But I'm sure you can find instructions on how to make a tinfoil helmet on Youtube.

dragonsarebest · 15/07/2016 09:37

when you start mentioning intelligence and knowing your limits I think that will hit a nerve with people

This. However - I consider myself pretty informed, follow a range of news sources, watch Question Time, listen to Today in Parliament without fail, look up answers to things I don't understand, etc etc etc. BUT I have a job and a life and despite my best efforts to get my head round it all, there were/are huge gaps in my knowledge. Fisheries for example - no clue. I can deal with that, because we pay elected representatives whose full time job it is to understand the issues and make these sort of decisions. This was never a decision that should have been made by Joe Public (absolutely including myself) who rarely have the time and energy to investigate and understand the myriad issues and repercussions.

I think this is what is really infuriating me now; I've moved on from the result itself, but it's how it happened that is so utterly unforgivable. Total abdication of responsibility and laziness - shocking behaviour.

twofingerstoGideon · 15/07/2016 09:39

The same employers who make up the 1% who have seen their wealth grow faster than any other period in history directly due to the income inequality that the freedom of movement, or as I call it the freedom for the rich to treat people like cattle created.

Well, I look forward to the halcyon post-Brexit days when the richest 1% (including our illustrious British billionaires) start sharing their wealth because we're no longer part of the EU. I'm beginning to think you blame the EU for everything when you really need to be looking at the role of successive UK governments in the areas you complain about. You might like to consider that we're the 5th/6th wealthiest country in the world, so if we have significant areas of deprivation that's almost certainly due to government policies.

I'm beginning to think that you and Chris are just on a wind-up actually.

urkelina · 15/07/2016 09:41

How is forcing employers to pay more and offer better conditions to fill roles in their businesses instead of stripping some devolving eastern European country of the brightest and most able people they desperately need a bad thing?

That would be a great thing, I expect Tim Martin will be leading by example and scraping zero hours contracts, oh wait....