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To feel really positive about leaving the EU

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kitty1976 · 13/07/2016 22:59

I know there has been lots of fear stories but in a few weeks since the vote we have managed to get a new PM who seems more than capable and we are now in control of our destiny without being ruled by an unelected and unaccountable EU. The EU has for a long time been a basket case and has condemned much of the youth of Southern Europe to decades of unemployment, it's a relief to be out. Do remember we are now free to negotiate our own trade deals with the rest of the world and most countries are not in the EU and seem to do well. There have been so many fear stories which have been peddled by self interest. I wonder in 5 years time how many remainers will be asking to rejoin the EU!!

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Ohwhatalovelysummer · 14/07/2016 11:27

And OP to answer your question. Yes, I am positive. Cautious because it was always going to be a profoundly unsettling event and there will be some tangible downsides (and I myself will be directly affected by these downsides). Im not going to reel off all my views on the positives themselves, as I will likely Just be shot down and drawn into yet another circular argument alongside being insulted. But as much as others will mock me for being positive, I stand by it, short term pain (and it is pain, I cannot disagree) for long term gain.

smallfox2002 · 14/07/2016 11:28

OR short term pain, and long term pain too.

Underparmummy · 14/07/2016 11:30

I'm sure she is amazing, they all are - its more the 'much more important things' comment.

papayasareyum · 14/07/2016 11:30

I'm a bit Hmm at all the people who suddenly feel European, waving the European flag and waxing lyrical about Europe like it's Utopia and not the symbol of globalisation, corruption and a load of mostly old white men in suits telling us what to do. It's the very opposite of democracy. And now everyone is filled with nostalgia for those halcyon days; they'll be telling us that we ought to have joined the Euro. Oh wait, that was a fucking great choice and saved us from a massive shit storm.....

SnowBells · 14/07/2016 11:30

I don't know how you can possibly feel positive now that you got rid of Brussels bureaucrats but are instead being ruled by a bunch of morons thinking this is all just one big reality TV show.

Ohwhatalovelysummer · 14/07/2016 11:31

Touche' Small, but unless you possess a crystal ball, and neither do I, we cannot be sure how long the disruption will continue. (Aside from the max length of time it takes to complete our exit after invoking art 50) However, fear of the unknown does not mean that change always has to be negative.

Underparmummy · 14/07/2016 11:31

smallfox - but what are the long term gains going to be? Best and worst case. For example, if we aren't good at negotiating what will the future really look like?

applesvpears · 14/07/2016 11:32

Obviously she more important then me posting on MN. I am only still posting because her daddy is off to work shortly and is having some cuddles. Lighten up.

Ohwhatalovelysummer · 14/07/2016 11:32

Well said Papaya...

Underparmummy · 14/07/2016 11:33

papa - yes, absolutely staying out of the euro was great. Between having sterling and a border in calais we had a great deal with the EU.

Umm, unelected elites...yes that would be terrible...

smallfox2002 · 14/07/2016 11:33

yet again an incoherent argument from a brexiteer there papa.

We fell European because we are European, your narrative of anti democratic (interesting that we have a whole new Government without an election isn't it) corruption etc is equally applicable to the UK alone.

No one said we should join the euro.

Slippery slope argument there.

Ohwhatalovelysummer · 14/07/2016 11:37

Lets say we HAD joined the euro hypothetically, and the referendum had been to reinstate the pound or ditch the euro, I feel as if the arguments and negativity here would be the same. However history has shown us that ultimately it was 100% the correct decision. What if the same is true here?

Ohwhatalovelysummer · 14/07/2016 11:38

No one said we should join the euro small? Thats not my recollection of events at that time.

Ohwhatalovelysummer · 14/07/2016 11:39

The EU is moving toward a system where you must accept the failing euro in order to be a member of the single market, surely we would have had that imposed on us too ultimately?

smallfox2002 · 14/07/2016 11:39

I don't think it would be the same.

The uncertainty that this has brought about, and the very likely economic ramifications of such will take a while to recover from.

Coming out of the common market would be a disaster.

AlcoChocs · 14/07/2016 11:39

I feel the same OP.
If people want to keep saying that we're all doomed and shouting down anyone who says otherwise then that's their choice.
But they can't insist that everyone listens to them and agrees.

Grassgreendashhabi · 14/07/2016 11:42

I'm the same here

Plus I firmly believe that if britex was going to be the end of the U.K. Then the government would not be doing such a U turn.

Underparmummy · 14/07/2016 11:44

But, can someone please tell us some actual concrete good things that will happen?

...please?

Grassgreendashhabi · 14/07/2016 11:46

We don't know yet.

But we do not that the world did not implode!

Ohwhatalovelysummer · 14/07/2016 11:46

Didnt we have to construct an opt out in the maastrict treaty to prevent us being forced to adopt the euro? If my memory serves, there was considerable pressure on us to do so, along with experts who told us we should. What ensued was considerable legal wrangling to prevent that from happening to us, however, If we had not opted for Brexit, who is to say that would not have been overturned or changed as a result of internal EU pressure?

lljkk · 14/07/2016 11:49

UK was supposed to take over the EU presidency for 6 months in 2017 .

I would love OP to be right, but some things niggle...

Why would it benefit UK to have lots of itty bitty trade treaty negotiations with Commonwealth and countries outside EU?

There's this little/huge thing called globalisation. We are all subjected to massive storms of forces we can't understand or predict (think of 2007-08 crash, or look up complex adaptive systems). At best we can only hope to find key leverage points and hope we've tilted the system to treat us favourably; big economic blocs have the most leverage power. The idea of UK controlling our destiny... oh well, more .

Underparmummy · 14/07/2016 11:52

Mind you currently sterling vs euro - not much to choose between them.

'We don't know yet'

I cannot get my head around this. We have voted for a literal unknown. We have literally had the political equivalent of a strop off.

No, the world didn't implode. Where Leavers ok with the idea this might happen or just wanted to prove it wouldn't.

Seriously, this is bullshit.

Underparmummy · 14/07/2016 11:52

*were the leavers

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