The Westminster Hunger Games Contines. May Day! May Day!

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THE BREXIT FALLOUT CONTINUES - THREAD NINE

The Tories have settled their scores and May is now PM.
Is it May's Day or May Day for the people?

After careful consideration I thought the best way to sum up the Labour Contest was in one simple picture. May Day, might also be appropriate here too.

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Things are moving fast, so hold on tight for the Brexit Ride

Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2683852-The-Westministenders-Hunger-Games-continues-Hunting-for-the-Opposition?pg=1 Previous Thread Eight.

Boris speaks with forked brain.

And May is off to Scotland tomorrow.

Greenland has a constitutional thing that made leaving easier for it though, because it is/was still part of Denmark somehow. I can't remember the exact reason/details.

Also the fact we have no constitution, makes it a weird case about how we do it. Plus all our laws being tied up and interconnected with the EU now too.

Proof that JC hasn't controlled the growing threats against women MP's since Jo Cox's death. In fact half of the shadow cabinet that resigned have had death threats since resigning!

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/14/half-of-female-shadow-cabinet-members-who-resigned-over-jeremy-c/

This how our new Foreign Secretary thinks about Africa- article from 2002. How the fuck did he even make it to Mayor? I vote we send him to do a tour very very soon.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/boris-archive-africa-mess-cant-blame-colonialism/

I have it somewhere in my brain that Greenland would be more like Scotland leaving the EU but the rest of the UK staying, in terms of size and effects. I'm not sure why I have this impression, but I may have read it somewhere else and it just stuck. I have read more about international relations, politics and constitutional affairs in the last couple of weeks than I have since I was in 6th form!!

Aaaahh I go out for a couple of hours and we're up to 10! My dbro works for environment agency and had his head in hands with Loathsome as environment sec. And who has responsibility for climate change now??? If we think there's a refugee crisis now, just wait til we start getting environmental refugees!

I think Greenland leaving the EU was more like Gibraltar staying than Scotland staying.

That's very interesting what David Allen Green has to say about will and capacity.

I don't think it raises any questions at all about the EU's level of democracy.

More about the near practical impossibility of attempting to secede from nearly half a century's worth of international multilateral treaties.

If you could just hand in your cards at any moment and walj away, the EU wouldn't really exist in any meaningful form.

Theresa coming up to Scotland tomorrow to meet Nicola. Nicola very dismissive of David M. Nicola has gathered a team of experts to advise her including Anton Muscatelli.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Muscatelli

www.thecanary.co/2016/07/14/breaking-labour-trawling-social-media-stop-voting-leadership-election/

The Canary are reporting that Labour are going through social media and banning anyone who has used the words 'traitor', 'scab' or 'scum' in relation to another Labour member and banning them from voting in the election.

quite how they are going to police this and go through thousands of accounts I'm not quite sure...

You've got to love a Glasgow Italian.

iirc, Greenland only has 20k people and its sole industry is fish.
Not much more than a glorified fishing village.
Scotland would be far far more complicated.
I don't even want to think of the million more complexities for the UK

red We can leave the EU immediately after A50, not even taking the 2 years.
They aren't stopping us, or deliberately making it more painful than need be.
The problem is entirely on our side:
Leaving without wrecking our financial services sector, trade & industry, agriculture ... deciding what happens to citizens in each other's country, all the EU laws ...

We signed up to ever closer Europe and stayed there 40 years, getting ever closer.
It'll take 7-10 years to completely disengage with the WTO option. In the transition period, our eceonomy will be in utter chaos.

That's why I've been pushing the EEA option all along - it's still a lot of work & some pain, but it is feasible.
In contrast, the WTO Brexit is like Year Zero in Cambodia

Red [re. trawling social media and banning the rabid] I don't see how they can realistically do that (without borrowing GCHQ or something) but, oh my, that would be so funny! And I do like to think of them reading 'The Canary' and sweating a bit (before common-sense kicks in).

We're not allowed to do TAAT but has anyone else noticed that some of those observations about the similarity between some aspects of kipperati-ness and The Order of St Jeremy have been borne out here on MN?

On this particular occasion, I wasn't meaning just Scotland - I was meaning the UK. And I recognise the size of the UK makes it much more complicated: I was just saying it was possible. Might take a long time though! and even longer if Scotland blocks some of the required enabling (de)legislation

It also depends on what the UK wants from its Brexit: if its demands are wanting to have their cake and eat it unrealistic, that will make things even more long winded.

Red - they would possibly be better off weeding out the cats who are registered to vote etc

I'm back to feeling angry and miserable about Brexit today. The appointment of the Brexitters forced me to reflect, again, on how hard it is going to be and what it's going to do to the economy.

I don't think the Canary is a credible news source, given that the majority of their stories appear to be regurgitated from Momentum press releases.

Actually, I don't know if Momentum do press releases but if they did, I imagine they'd sound similar to that article.

And just watching C4 news: apparently Liam Fox and David Davis can't stand each other. 'Find it hard to share space.'

This article came up on my Twitter feed and it just seemed to highlight the level of chaos and mess we're facing as regards the mess of planning and negotiating.

thecat I'm going through similar phases. I'm swinging between resigned to angry and fed up again.

As well as feeling angry and fed up about Brexit, I'm aslo feeling angry and fed up at the almighty mess the LP is in at the moment.

My understanding is in order to keep from having to redo all the laws, they would simply deem all of the EU laws we currently follow to be UK laws, then after we exit EU, they could tackle them at their own pace, according to importance.

If Boris wasn't such a knob, he'd be perfect. Multi-lingual, foreign birth and mixed ancestry, cultured, history-buff. And people do like him.

Interesting article on investment on C4News. It mentioned the billions of £ of foreign investment going onto building in one area. This is what I think of whenever the jubilant Leavers start talking about how leaving the EU is going to lead us into a rainbow world of inward investment. Where, just where, do they think that money is going to come from?

Oh. Next news item is the Labour Party. And it's not about the brilliant skewering of the Conservatives on their bungling of the economy.

Malcolm Rifkind was explaining how he had to work 18 hours a day to keep on top of stuff when he was FS, so maybe the idea is to make him so knackered he hasn't got the energy to fuck up?

Does Boris really speak fluent French? I know Wiki says he does ... but does he?

Glad that Villiers is gone from NI - very pro-Leave, insisted that the border between north and south would be unchanged (while not specifying how exactly we were going to take back control of our borders....), was front and centre supporting Loathsome, and luke warm on any suggestion that it might be a good idea for some discussions on an all Ireland basis to take place. Plus, you couldn't really have 2 Theresas!