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Brexit

The Westminster Hunger Games Contines. May Day! May Day!

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RedToothBrush · 13/07/2016 19:56

THE BREXIT FALLOUT CONTINUES - THREAD NINE

The Tories have settled their scores and May is now PM.
Is it May's Day or May Day for the people?

After careful consideration I thought the best way to sum up the Labour Contest was in one simple picture. May Day, might also be appropriate here too.

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Things are moving fast, so hold on tight for the Brexit Ride

Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2683852-The-Westministenders-Hunger-Games-continues-Hunting-for-the-Opposition?pg=1 Previous Thread Eight.

The Westminster Hunger Games Contines. May Day! May Day!
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TheBathroomSink · 14/07/2016 17:17

I know, show, but TM has just proved herself to be massively more bold than most people were expecting. She's shoved Brexit off to Davis and Fox, and set herself up to reshape everything else, which would indicate to me that she's not just going to continue with DC's policies.

With respect to Tim Farron for at least trying to be a bit of opposition, even if it has gone a bit wrong in the last few days, someone needs to be doing the job of the opposition, before we find out that she's got a bunch of NHS stripping nodded through Parliament, and we're suddenly getting the 11+ back on a nationwide basis.

I'm not saying she'll do either of those, but at the moment she is effectively unchecked, and the loudest Labour voice I've heard so far has been Yvette Cooper!

TheBathroomSink · 14/07/2016 17:20

Helen Goodman ‏@HelenGoodmanMP 37m37 minutes ago
So after 4 days no comment on the challenges facing new PM from @JeremyCorbyn! What is more important than holding Government to account?

Goodman is Labour MP for Bishop Auckland

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TheBathroomSink · 14/07/2016 17:30

Ginger - it is a shame Ukip fixed their leadership rules to block new members, he sounds like he'd be a perfect candidate.

There's really no justification for him keeping his job.

SwedishEdith · 14/07/2016 17:39

I know this is very wrong (and don't know if already said yet) but Amber Rudd is only 3 months younger than Leadsom

squoosh · 14/07/2016 17:42

You'd never guess would you? And Amber Rudd had to put up with being married to AA Gill for years so really she should look older.

thecatfromjapan · 14/07/2016 17:42

Ginger That article, I feel, demonstrates the redefinition of what counts as racist speech/views AND the moving of our racism/anti-racist Overton Window to a place where it is now becoming acceptable to see Enoch Powell as 'not a racialist'.
Those two things are a result of the awful referendum.
I feel so angry and depressed that this has happened - in a way on 'my watch'. I feel I've somehow failed my children.Sad

derxa · 14/07/2016 17:53

Glasgow's verdict on Boris Grin Pure dead brilliant.

RedToothBrush · 14/07/2016 17:55

David Allen Green in The Financial Times this morning. (written yesterday)

David Davies, Brexit and the shapelessness of things to come
Mr Davies does not start from a strong position. he is not based in a large government department - indeed Mrs May seems to have shared the task of Brexit between the foreign office, a new department for international trade and Mr Davis's new ministry. He therefore appears to have no firm institutional base, and it is unclear the extent of any resources he will be able to direct to his task. It may well be that Mr Davis is the best politician for the task, but he has not been placed in the best possible position to accomplish it.

But the scale of his task is almost beyond comprehension. As was revealed by the evidence of Oliver Letwin, the previous minister responsible for Brexit, at the foreign office select committee hearing last week, it is not so much that the UK government does not have a plan for Brexit - it does not even know what is to go into a plan. It is barely in a state of pre-preparation for a political exercise that may take six year or more. Nobody in Whitehall or Westminster yet has a grasp of what needs to be done, let alone how to go about doing it.

The new prime minister is not a "leaker" - there is little indication that either she or her staff brief the press. So there is no steer, as yet, as to why she has made the appointment of Mr Davis, Mr Johnson and so on. Is she cynically setting them up to fail? Or is she saying that those who caused the mess should deal with it?

This week, another able Conservative politician Rory Stewart said at a City seminar the crucial distinction to be made in the politics of Brexit is between "will" and "capacity". One should not be confused with the other. It may well be that the new government is willing to go through with Brexit - but that is not enough. The UK has to be capable of going through with it too.

The politics - and policy - of Brexit, at least in practical terms, not becomes less about "will" and more about "capacity". Whether it will happen will become the servant of whether it can be made to happen. As of today, there is no policy shape to Brexit, there is only shapelessness. And unless shape can be given to the great Brexit adventure, it is an open question whether it will ever happen.

Now, David Allen Green is someone I have had a lot of time and respect for and have had for a number of years for talking sense. He is a lawyer and has said about the real complexities of leaving the EU.

Rory Stewart has also cropped up on my radar in the past for talking a certain amount of sense on particular subjects. He spent time on placement with the army before spending many years in the foreign office working on East Timor independence, British Rep to Montenegro straight after Kosovo, working in Iraq after the invasion and later working in Afghanistan. He is an academic on essentially 'political vacuums' writing a number of books about this and related issues. (He is an interesting character that's for sure)

It does strike me that there are some MAJOR hurdles ahead whichever way this goes.

Its also interesting that May's reshuffle has gone along these lines today. I do take the appointment of a lawyer to the cabinet quite seriously for this reason too. I don't think it is possible to understand what May has got on her plate.

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flippinada · 14/07/2016 17:59

And so it rolls on with the Labour Party. Why can't they just get bloody well get on with it!

Please can MN introduce a head-desk emoticon? Otherwise I'll end UP with a stinking migraine. Ta very much.

flippinada · 14/07/2016 18:00

derxa YY - that's been doing the rounds on my FB. Good old Glesca humour.

RedToothBrush · 14/07/2016 18:05

Thinking it through. If that holds to be true and it become apparent that we somehow 'can not' leave the EU because it is not possible somehow, then this will raise some difficult questions for the EU itself, which it might be forced to confront. The principles of the EU, are about democracy - and respecting the will of people. The British people have spoken. Yet they are being denied that by the EU... It therefore is in conflict with the very core founding principles of the EU = problem for the EU that are technically obliged to resolve somehow by their own rules.

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Showmethewaytogohome · 14/07/2016 18:05

Do you think Boris got into the FO and just scooted around on his chair all day and searched for the drinks cabinet

squoosh · 14/07/2016 18:07

That's a bit mean Show.

Showmethewaytogohome · 14/07/2016 18:07

Red

I think we will leave...and not leave. Or maybe say we have left and just have secret meetings and actually be in sshhh!

squoosh · 14/07/2016 18:07

I'm sure he found time to pinch some bottoms too!

Showmethewaytogohome · 14/07/2016 18:10

Squoosh is tho? What do you think he did on his first day? It wasn't collecting congrats messages Grin

Showmethewaytogohome · 14/07/2016 18:11

Good one!

RedToothBrush · 14/07/2016 18:12

Leave and not leave. Yes. I think that is a distinct possibly. In more than one sense. Indeed, what did Boris say today? 'Leave the EU but not leave Europe?' It could be taken in a real variety of ways.

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RedToothBrush · 14/07/2016 18:14

www.buzzfeed.com/marieleconte/the-osballs-bromance-lives-on?utm_term=.iaGYW36B2#.hsarPXQ2g

Is it just me who finds the idea of Balls and Osborne being really good mates, as slightly disturbing?

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squoosh · 14/07/2016 18:14

It's just occurred to me, Is Boris Johnson our Boris Yeltsin? He was a bit of a man for the gaffes too wasn't he?

prettybird · 14/07/2016 18:14

It is possible to "leave" the EU: Greenland has already proven that (although much much smaller and less complicated and still took 18 months) Wink--

What is up in the air is whether what the UK wants is more unicorn dust feasible - or whether we're going to be on the side on WTO terms Hmm

EFTA might not even be an option as Norway for one has made noises that the UK would unbalance the organisation (too big and with different areas of interest).

RedToothBrush · 14/07/2016 18:16

Robert Peston ‏@Peston · 11m11 minutes ago
US Treasury secretary wants UK to have "highly integrated relationship with EU". Will that go better than Obama urging us to stay in EU?

Hmm. Interesting. This is the fella that spoke to Osborne a couple of days ago, went to Germany and then has called in to see Hammond today in an unscheduled meeting due to all the changes unless I am very much mistaken.

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Mistigri · 14/07/2016 18:17

Greenland?

  1. Not an EU state
  2. Did not leave under the same procedure.
Showmethewaytogohome · 14/07/2016 18:17

Laura Kuenssberg - First visit for TM is to Scotland

I think Queenie had a word yesterday

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