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The Westministenders / Media Baron Hunger Games continues. Is it about to all implode?

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 18:51

THE BREXIT FALLOUT OUT CONTINUES - THREAD SEVEN!

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The Story So Far – Blue Corner
Johnson & Gove stabbed Cameron & Osborne. They then won a big vote about something or other. I forget the details. I’m not sure it matters anymore.

Johnson got then stabbed by Gove. Johnson joined Leadsom. Gove got stung by his mate Boles who was trying stab Leadsom, and he ended up getting stabbed by just about everyone.

Where We Are Now – Blue Corner
Out of the ashes of the mess that the posh boys made, emerged two unexpected contenders to become the Torchbearer for the Tories.

#Team May
The Home Secretary, and the former figure of hate, is now looking like she might be the choice of sanity and the one who might just be able to save us from ourselves. She is the choice of the left and centre. The left and centre now being anyone who thinks ‘The 1950s were very nice, but actually we’d prefer not to go back there. A return to the 1970s is far enough, thanks’.

She is supported by just about the entire mainstream media (which in itself is quite an achievement – The Sun and The Guardian being united in editorial opinion) and the majority of Conservative MPs. We don’t know this, but she quite possibly unites the Labour Party on the subject too.

#Team Leadsom
The Junior minister made good, and has outmanoeuvred all her superiors in the cabinet to throw her hat in the ring. The trouble is that she’s either somewhat naïve, a bit of an arsehole or a scheming liar. And that’s the charitable version.

She is emerging as the Sarah Palin of the UK, and has some dubious looking Tea Party links. In the era of post fact politics Project Fear is now Project Smear. Of course this makes her Mrs Umbridge, the poor apple pie lover, bullied by the political elite and media establishment, rather than a fruit cake.

BUT
Underestimate her appeal at your peril. She has a big field of unicorns somewhere that we’ve not been able to track down on googlemaps so far, and she is preparing to unleash them.

She is the choice of the Right. She is supported by much of the depths of twitter, Louise Mensch, UKIP, Arron Banks, BNP and Britain First.

Oh and that tax return? Hmm

Our future fate is to be decided by 150,000 Conservative Members (two thirds of whom are men and roughly 50% of whom are over sixty).

How we look back at David Cameron’s tweet on the 4th May 2015 with such fondness:
Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with me, or chaos with Ed Miliband.

Send me the link for the petition to ‘Come Back Dave, all is forgiven’. We have at least six weeks of this particular shower of shit to look forward to, before the next one hits.

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The Story So Far – Purple Corner
Many years ago, Nigel Farage founded the idea and started his one man campaign for the UK to leave the EU. (Except he didn’t. It was someone else’s idea. He just took over and took the credit for it). He became the poster boy for the Leave campaign, despite not being affiliated with it. He stood and claimed victory, without a shot fired.

As he said to the European Parliament with impeccable manners and good grace, ‘We aren’t laughing now’. To be fair to him, we weren’t. We were all shouting ‘FUCK OFF’ instead. After securing his £7000 pay rise as an MEP, he decided enough was enough, and it was time to ‘get his life back’ (he got sacked) and look for a career as a contestant on reality TV shows.

I hear Help I’m a Celeb have offered half a million for his services.

Where We Are Now – Purple Corner
Quicker than you can say, ‘Oh Thank God(win) for that’, we are already are starting to miss ‘Our Nige’, the cheeky chappy from next door. Instead the options are looking bleak, as candidates start to crawl out from under their rocks. The spectre of Arron Banks and his call to arms for ‘freedom’ lurks in the shadow.

For those of you unfamiliar with Mr Banks so far in this story, he’s one of UKIP’s biggest donors. He and his mate Andy Wigmore run an offshore insurance company out of Gibraltar. Banks, was head honcho of Leave.eu and one of his other mates, hypnotist Paul McKenna, gave advice on how to influence people with propaganda. Banks and Wigmore have some connections with Belize. Bank’s ex-wife was accused of being one of the KGB’s best agents. They are now divorced and she has a harassment order out on him. He does not like the ‘Uk elite’ and takes it personality.
Sounds like just the kind of guy, you’d love to move in as a neighbour.

This is the very definition of shit.

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The Story So Far – Red Corner
Once upon a time, there was a man named Blair. He waved a lot of flags said ‘Cool Britannia’ and smiled a lot. But Tony turned out to not be such a good ‘un. He didn’t play by the rules and got caught out. Blair was made to appear on national television to defend himself. He cried, and told us how he couldn’t sleep at night, but actually he did do the right thing and everyone is still wrong and we are all picking on him.

Does he need to go away and think about it for a while? Say, in a locked room for several years?

Where We Are Now – Red Corner
The WMD that Bliar lost in Iraq finally turned up in Labour HQ on 24th June. However, no one has been prepared to let off a controlled explosion yet. Apparently there is something of an aversion to Big Red Buttons (otherwise know to us simple folks as ‘Agreeing on Something’ and ‘Making Decisions’) within the party.

Corbyn, the champion of Momentum, has been carrying on as if nothing is happening, there is no problem and its everyone else is wrong, insisting that since he had a mandate from the people 10 months ago and it’s all still honky dory. He’s doing his job just fine and leading is well, a bit of an inconvenience to his rally schedule.

The Unions seem to have declared war on Tom Watson. His name has been added to the ever growing list of ‘traitors’.

Across the country action has been taken against these ‘traitors’. Normally this behaviour would be classed as ‘thuggery’ and ‘intimidation’. In post-fact Britain though, this is now acceptable, if it’s from the Left. Violence against Labour members is only disgusting if it is carried out by the right, you see.

Apparently, as the Momentum chief says, ‘winning’ is only a ‘small bit’ of democracy that matters to ‘political elites who want to keep power themselves’.

Obviously political gains that help and protect the interests of the working classes and poor are surplus to requirements. I guess their ultimate aim is to win no Labour seats at all then. Good stuff. We are headed in the right direction for that one.

Angela Eagle left her doorstep, and went on the telly after a week of refusing to make a decision to say ‘Ok I’m going to stand to remove a man who refuses to make decisions’. Apparently she is doing this to ‘Heal Labour’.

Someone break it to her, that if Labour gets its legs blown off by Corbynite, the chances of them healing, are somewhat remote.

To make matter worse, Corbyn disagrees with how you get on the ballot paper, and might not be it at this rate. Or it might end up in court. Like article 50.

Owen Smith is the other pretender to the Crown of Roses. We know who he is now. He’s err… He’s still welsh!

What do we reckon the chances of Labour surviving as one party are? Zero to none? This is more like wading through shit than a shower of it.

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The Story So Far – Yellow Corner
Tumbleweed

Where We Are Now – Yellow Corner
Everyone’s been praying for a ruddy miracle to end this torture and give the country an opposition party. Finally, Tim Farron, has awoken, removed his splinters from his arse, got off the fence in response to this. Amid growing rumblings of a complete political realignment and fleeing Labour and Conservative MPs, he says:

‘Hey folks, this political turmoil looks fun, can we join in too?!’

FACEPALM

No shit left to share.

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The consensus of opinion is that we might be a tiny teeny bit screwed.
Did someone mention the EU? EU? Oh fuck that, we’ve just about forgotten all that now!
Bigger fish to fry.
British ones of course.

We need really do need Gandalf to come save us from this madness.

Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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The Westministenders / Media Baron Hunger Games continues. Is it about to all implode?
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BigChocFrenzy · 10/07/2016 23:13

Yes, I think resignations by any MP who knowingly colluded in Blair's lies & dodgy dossier.
Apologies would suffice for any MP who was just fooled by him (like half the country)

wrt Labour leadership:
The only hope of averting disaster is for JC to forget ideology, think of the party & the country - and fall on his sword (like a Tory would !) Unlikely.

Then all depends on the NEC:

  • if they say JC is on the ballot, he probably wins the leadership.
    Same logjam as now, or 172 deselections and probably Labour splits into 2.
    Been there. Disaster.
    The 172 would then be the Official Opposition until the next GE. Maybe call themselves the Independent Labour Party.
    JC and the remaining MPs can call themselves the Unelectable Labour Party
    The Tories win the next GE with a landslide
    No, probably JC & the PLP will stay with the logjam, while they hope he doesn't outlive his parents.

  • if JC is not on the ballot, would the membership vote for a non-Blairite candidate who isn't JC ?
    Or do they rebel too ?

Judges would probably refuse to overrule the NEC, whatever they decide. Don't blame them for that either.

Chalalala · 10/07/2016 23:16

That Leadsom article genuinely reads like a parody, are we sure it's not from the Daily Mash? Confused

RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 23:20

Can you imagine David Cameron discussing the fact he cried 20 mins ago about the media? Or talking about his roasties?

I think not.

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 23:22

Louise Mensch ‏@LouiseMensch
LOVE this interview with @andrealeadsom - best choice for Prime Minister #FreshStart

Re: telegraph article.

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ReggaeShark · 10/07/2016 23:26

Mensch is a twat.

Globetrotter100 · 10/07/2016 23:28

I also initially thought it was a Daily Mash article!

ReggaeShark · 10/07/2016 23:30

That DTel article can't be for real, surely?

KatieHopkinsAteMyHamster99 · 10/07/2016 23:34

Thanks Big Choc for the summary re LP leadership. Is there any hope at all of the wider membership waking up and smelling the coffee? It beggars belief that we are looking at a re-run of the 80s/90s either way as the 2 options are:

A. Corbyn stays leader, party stays intact - his current dismal performance continues to fail to attract voters -unelectable

B. PLP "rebels" leave or are ejected, party breaks in two, splits anti Tory vote -unelectable.

Either way we are stuck with the Tories and looking down the barrel of a recession thanks to Brexit.

SwedishEdith · 10/07/2016 23:42

Remember Allison Pearson on Question Time

"“The £350 million, they give us half back of our money, but they decide where it goes... they absolutely decide where [the rebate] goes… they do!”—Allison Pearson

“Is it true the EU tells us where to spend the rebate?”—David Dimbleby

“No it doesn’t”—Nigel Farage"

LineyReborn · 10/07/2016 23:45

These children that Andrea Leadsom is cooking roasties for - I guess that includes the son she signed her share of her and her husband's business over to, for tax avoidance purposes, all now in the public spotlight?

Nice way to treat your child. As a mum.

QueenLaBeefah · 10/07/2016 23:53

That Daily a telegraph article is hilarious.

LongWeek · 11/07/2016 00:41

Just wanted to say to people commenting about 'what has the country come to' in response to the death threats to MEPs and MPs- that's been happening for a long time. It's not new, or a result of anything to do with the EU ref.
DH is an MP, and there's a reason why we get offered access to the "counter terrorism security officer" and get our home addresses flagged on all the police systems.
I have had a to read a long document about home security. We are not supposed to have a letter box in case of petrol through the door, and I have to consider each piece of post before opening it. And DH is back bench, no one well known.
I'm having another security review in the next few weeks at home. It's considered such a problem that new doors, locks, alarms etc may be paid by the taxpayer. Families are soft targets. It's not new.

The threat against MPs has always been there- the EU ref thing has made it bigger news. As has Jo cox's death, of course, but MPs have always had people targeting them. I am not IN ANY WAY negating her death, which was just awful. More than awful. But just wanted to address the view that the EU ref had made this worse. It hasn't. This has always been there, but MPs and their families haven't talked about it.

According to a survey- 1/5 MPs have had violent/ aggressive people AT THEIR HOME

MPs feel that only 1/100 constituents might get violent. So in the average place, that means only 650/700 people might feel aggressive towards my DH- or me as the easy target.
And with DH in London during the weekend me home alone with the kids...

Sorry for the hijack!

BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2016 00:53

Katie There seems an ideological split in the party, between between those wanting to effect change by gaining power and those just using Parliament as a platform for protest.

I've no idea how many of JC's supporters belong to the latter group and how many just like his policies, but would turn to a credible non-Blairite alternative for electability.

Some Labour MPs are calling this "Labour’s Clause One moment:"

Clause One was written by Sidney & Beatrice Webb, to re affirm Keir Hardie’s strategy that the PLP must aim to win a majority in the HoC. This strategy is to gradually transform the country, with the consent of the majority.

In contrast, the Marxist SDF (Social Democratic Federation, led by Etonian Hyndman) regarded such an approach as betrayal.
Jon Lansman (Momentum founder & leader) recently has said the same thing:
They want a protest movement which will "raise the consciousness of working people, which will bring down the ruling class, such as in Russia and Venezuela" Hmm

Meantime, outside the world of Dave Spart, the Tories are turning hard right, Banks is trying to force them into a UKIP shotgun marriage - and noone in the Labour Party appears to have noticed.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2016 01:01

Thanks for posting LongWeek
So sorry, that sounds a very stressful life for you both, especially for you alone with the kids Flowers
I remember scary times, especially for Tory MPs, after the IRA started targeting and murdering them.
Must have put off a lot of good people then from applying for selection, or caused early resignations and may do so now .
I hadn't realised families and homes were targetted though, horrible; not that it is ok to target an MP either, of course.

KatieHopkinsAteMyHamster99 · 11/07/2016 01:17

Thanks BigChoc that's a helpful description of what's going on. If terrifying. I had not quite realised to what extent Momentum are explicitly happy to throw us all under the bus in the name of "principle"

BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2016 01:38

Neil Kinnock when leader had to gain nominations when Tony Benn challenged him.

The irony is: the rules making it more difficult to challenge a sitting Labour leader were created deliberately after this challenge Hmm Hoist. By. Own. Petard.

Naive John Smith who later reviewed the rules apparently said that no sane leader would want to stay after a PLP vote of No Confidence, so didn't cover that possibility.

That rule needs to be added for ALL major parties - a clear way for the MPs to vote both to remove a leader they can't follow and to veto him / her standing as leader again - to avoid repetition of this ridiculous situation.
The UK is a Parliamentary democracy and there has to be an emergency fallback, since activists in any party membership now seem capable of voting the batshit option.

It could even happen that a government is landed with a PM the MPs won't follow, e.g. if Loathsome gets in and is worse than we imagined, e.g. complete privatisation of the NHS or pelting Putin with her Yorkshires.
The government would be deadlocked until the next GE - if its MPs vote No Confidence in her, but not in the government - unless that NC vote boots her out.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2016 01:48

On reflection, I think that Tory rules means MPs can vote out an unpopular leader and make sure she is not one of the 2 options givem to the membership to vote on.
However, we are fortunate that Labour were not in government when this logjam happened

GingerIvy · 11/07/2016 06:54

Alright, here we go. Monday morning. What's it going to be AE? Stand up? Or sit down again.....

GingerIvy · 11/07/2016 07:51

From an article in the Guardian:

The constituency’s annual general meeting also passed a motion of confidence in the leader on 24 June and sent a message to Eagle asking her to back Corbyn in the then-forthcoming no-confidence vote by Labour MPs, which Corbyn lost by 172 votes to 40.

Asked about the situation in her constituency, Eagle said it was a “disruptive, newly joined element, many of whom were thrown out in the 1990s, that are making a lot of noise”.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/10/angela-eagle-to-launch-formal-bid-for-labour-party-leadership?CMP=twt_gu

GingerIvy · 11/07/2016 07:53

And more from AL:

Andrea Leadsom apologises to Theresa May - but still blames the media for motherhood outrage

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/andrea-leadsom-apologises-theresa-still-8394979

Or as is floating about on Twitter:
Mirror Politics ‏@MirrorPolitics 4m4 minutes ago
Andrea Leadsom is sorry "for any hurt I have caused" - but not for the words she said

ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe · 11/07/2016 08:05

So what do we have to look forward today?
More AE vs JC shenanigans and Teresa may launching her campaign?

What a damp squib Andrea's tax return was.
I've read more extensive Southern Trains timetables.

GingerIvy · 11/07/2016 08:14

Is it just me, or is some of this not helping the current situations with racism?

From an article :
Wonder said: “All life does matter, but the reason that I say black lives matter is because we are the original people of this world. So in essence, everyone here has some black in you. You've all got some soul in you so stop denying your culture.”

He added his voice to a growing list of global artists who have spoken out in protest at the use of deadly force by police in the US, most often involving the shooting of young black men.

Before the Dallas shootings on Thursday, singer Beyonce paused a Glasgow concert to hold a minute's silence for the two men and “countless others” killed by police in the US.

www.independent.co.uk/news/people/stevie-wonder-british-summer-time-festival-hyde-park-black-lives-matter-a7130381.html

InShockReally · 11/07/2016 08:28

... Does Arron Banks actually have to come out wearing a black cloak and declaring himself as a Sith Lord to be noticed as a villain by the mainstream media?

What more do you have to do to point out that "by the way, I'm pretty fucking evil" these days?

And words can't express how horrifying it is to see in plain black and white how AL is manipulating people and it's working - how? Why don't people see through this nonsense?

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