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The Westministenders / Media Baron Hunger Games continues. Is it about to all implode?

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 18:51

THE BREXIT FALLOUT OUT CONTINUES - THREAD SEVEN!

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The Story So Far – Blue Corner
Johnson & Gove stabbed Cameron & Osborne. They then won a big vote about something or other. I forget the details. I’m not sure it matters anymore.

Johnson got then stabbed by Gove. Johnson joined Leadsom. Gove got stung by his mate Boles who was trying stab Leadsom, and he ended up getting stabbed by just about everyone.

Where We Are Now – Blue Corner
Out of the ashes of the mess that the posh boys made, emerged two unexpected contenders to become the Torchbearer for the Tories.

#Team May
The Home Secretary, and the former figure of hate, is now looking like she might be the choice of sanity and the one who might just be able to save us from ourselves. She is the choice of the left and centre. The left and centre now being anyone who thinks ‘The 1950s were very nice, but actually we’d prefer not to go back there. A return to the 1970s is far enough, thanks’.

She is supported by just about the entire mainstream media (which in itself is quite an achievement – The Sun and The Guardian being united in editorial opinion) and the majority of Conservative MPs. We don’t know this, but she quite possibly unites the Labour Party on the subject too.

#Team Leadsom
The Junior minister made good, and has outmanoeuvred all her superiors in the cabinet to throw her hat in the ring. The trouble is that she’s either somewhat naïve, a bit of an arsehole or a scheming liar. And that’s the charitable version.

She is emerging as the Sarah Palin of the UK, and has some dubious looking Tea Party links. In the era of post fact politics Project Fear is now Project Smear. Of course this makes her Mrs Umbridge, the poor apple pie lover, bullied by the political elite and media establishment, rather than a fruit cake.

BUT
Underestimate her appeal at your peril. She has a big field of unicorns somewhere that we’ve not been able to track down on googlemaps so far, and she is preparing to unleash them.

She is the choice of the Right. She is supported by much of the depths of twitter, Louise Mensch, UKIP, Arron Banks, BNP and Britain First.

Oh and that tax return? Hmm

Our future fate is to be decided by 150,000 Conservative Members (two thirds of whom are men and roughly 50% of whom are over sixty).

How we look back at David Cameron’s tweet on the 4th May 2015 with such fondness:
Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with me, or chaos with Ed Miliband.

Send me the link for the petition to ‘Come Back Dave, all is forgiven’. We have at least six weeks of this particular shower of shit to look forward to, before the next one hits.

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The Story So Far – Purple Corner
Many years ago, Nigel Farage founded the idea and started his one man campaign for the UK to leave the EU. (Except he didn’t. It was someone else’s idea. He just took over and took the credit for it). He became the poster boy for the Leave campaign, despite not being affiliated with it. He stood and claimed victory, without a shot fired.

As he said to the European Parliament with impeccable manners and good grace, ‘We aren’t laughing now’. To be fair to him, we weren’t. We were all shouting ‘FUCK OFF’ instead. After securing his £7000 pay rise as an MEP, he decided enough was enough, and it was time to ‘get his life back’ (he got sacked) and look for a career as a contestant on reality TV shows.

I hear Help I’m a Celeb have offered half a million for his services.

Where We Are Now – Purple Corner
Quicker than you can say, ‘Oh Thank God(win) for that’, we are already are starting to miss ‘Our Nige’, the cheeky chappy from next door. Instead the options are looking bleak, as candidates start to crawl out from under their rocks. The spectre of Arron Banks and his call to arms for ‘freedom’ lurks in the shadow.

For those of you unfamiliar with Mr Banks so far in this story, he’s one of UKIP’s biggest donors. He and his mate Andy Wigmore run an offshore insurance company out of Gibraltar. Banks, was head honcho of Leave.eu and one of his other mates, hypnotist Paul McKenna, gave advice on how to influence people with propaganda. Banks and Wigmore have some connections with Belize. Bank’s ex-wife was accused of being one of the KGB’s best agents. They are now divorced and she has a harassment order out on him. He does not like the ‘Uk elite’ and takes it personality.
Sounds like just the kind of guy, you’d love to move in as a neighbour.

This is the very definition of shit.

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The Story So Far – Red Corner
Once upon a time, there was a man named Blair. He waved a lot of flags said ‘Cool Britannia’ and smiled a lot. But Tony turned out to not be such a good ‘un. He didn’t play by the rules and got caught out. Blair was made to appear on national television to defend himself. He cried, and told us how he couldn’t sleep at night, but actually he did do the right thing and everyone is still wrong and we are all picking on him.

Does he need to go away and think about it for a while? Say, in a locked room for several years?

Where We Are Now – Red Corner
The WMD that Bliar lost in Iraq finally turned up in Labour HQ on 24th June. However, no one has been prepared to let off a controlled explosion yet. Apparently there is something of an aversion to Big Red Buttons (otherwise know to us simple folks as ‘Agreeing on Something’ and ‘Making Decisions’) within the party.

Corbyn, the champion of Momentum, has been carrying on as if nothing is happening, there is no problem and its everyone else is wrong, insisting that since he had a mandate from the people 10 months ago and it’s all still honky dory. He’s doing his job just fine and leading is well, a bit of an inconvenience to his rally schedule.

The Unions seem to have declared war on Tom Watson. His name has been added to the ever growing list of ‘traitors’.

Across the country action has been taken against these ‘traitors’. Normally this behaviour would be classed as ‘thuggery’ and ‘intimidation’. In post-fact Britain though, this is now acceptable, if it’s from the Left. Violence against Labour members is only disgusting if it is carried out by the right, you see.

Apparently, as the Momentum chief says, ‘winning’ is only a ‘small bit’ of democracy that matters to ‘political elites who want to keep power themselves’.

Obviously political gains that help and protect the interests of the working classes and poor are surplus to requirements. I guess their ultimate aim is to win no Labour seats at all then. Good stuff. We are headed in the right direction for that one.

Angela Eagle left her doorstep, and went on the telly after a week of refusing to make a decision to say ‘Ok I’m going to stand to remove a man who refuses to make decisions’. Apparently she is doing this to ‘Heal Labour’.

Someone break it to her, that if Labour gets its legs blown off by Corbynite, the chances of them healing, are somewhat remote.

To make matter worse, Corbyn disagrees with how you get on the ballot paper, and might not be it at this rate. Or it might end up in court. Like article 50.

Owen Smith is the other pretender to the Crown of Roses. We know who he is now. He’s err… He’s still welsh!

What do we reckon the chances of Labour surviving as one party are? Zero to none? This is more like wading through shit than a shower of it.

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The Story So Far – Yellow Corner
Tumbleweed

Where We Are Now – Yellow Corner
Everyone’s been praying for a ruddy miracle to end this torture and give the country an opposition party. Finally, Tim Farron, has awoken, removed his splinters from his arse, got off the fence in response to this. Amid growing rumblings of a complete political realignment and fleeing Labour and Conservative MPs, he says:

‘Hey folks, this political turmoil looks fun, can we join in too?!’

FACEPALM

No shit left to share.

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The consensus of opinion is that we might be a tiny teeny bit screwed.
Did someone mention the EU? EU? Oh fuck that, we’ve just about forgotten all that now!
Bigger fish to fry.
British ones of course.

We need really do need Gandalf to come save us from this madness.

Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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The Westministenders / Media Baron Hunger Games continues. Is it about to all implode?
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ReggaeShark · 10/07/2016 22:21

Oops. Sorry. Thought I'd RTFT!

GingerIvy · 10/07/2016 22:23

No worries Smile

LittleBearPad · 10/07/2016 22:27

Loved the summary.

RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 22:33

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/10/ive-been-under-attack-its-been-shattering-andrea-leadsom-apologi/

Poor little Andrea has been in tears and didn't want to talk to the press today because they had been mean to her.

It’s been a brutally hard week. On the phone, I asked Andrea Leadsom when she last cried. There is a pause. “Twenty minutes ago,” she admits with a wobble. But, don’t worry, it’s not a sob story. She doesn’t believe in those. She’s off to make a roast chicken dinner stretch to include the children’s friends. “Lots of roast potatoes.”

They say Andrea Leadsom has no chance. They say more horrible things about her than anyone could reasonably be expected to bear. They say it’s a done deal. I’m not so sure. It’s not over till the slim lady smiles.
^^^ Real quote in the article

Sigh

She's Bisto Woman

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MrsLupo · 10/07/2016 22:41

I remember those 18 years of Tory rule. They totally transformed the country.

Ah, finally, Choc, you say something I can agree with. Wink

Thanks for the new thread, Red.

Has anyone heard about Lord Salisbury's proposals today for a federal UK? Reminds me a bit of the idea I had for England and Wales polling on whether to devolve independently from the UK in order to let Scotland and NI remain and retain EU member status. Except that in his proposal, international agreements would be conducted jointly. Not sure whether I think he goes far enough for it to be worth it tbh. Thoughts?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/10/brexit-vote-paves-way-for-federal-union-says-all-party-group

TheBathroomSink · 10/07/2016 22:43

So we have one party leader who's possibly scared of Tom Watson 's pointy finger, and a wannabe PM who gets tearful about having to cook some extra toasties, because presumably the unicorn was pissed off that she'd insulted it for not having kids.

And we're expected to take them seriously?

BigChocFrenzy · 10/07/2016 22:44

Chilcott has examined what happened.
We know the truth: Blair lied to get his own way. Because he thought he knew better.
Most people believed him then, because he was charming and likeable.
He helped wreck Iraq, cause slaughter, international disaster & chaos, ISIS & attacks on the West

He corrupted / intimidated some experts, so now many people refuse to listen to any experts.
We've just seen that.
It could mean that in a real war / major terrorist threat / environmental or natural catastrophe, the public won't believe a future PM when it is deperately important to take action.

He deserves the all-party Parliamentary Censure he'll get soon for misleading the HoC.
But then what ? tarring & feathering
Blair is not technically guilty of any crime. The ICC and the Hague firmly said they are not interested.

Labour can't do anything about gov departments or civil servants who mislead or were incompetent. Labour can't order compensation for UK or foreign victims, can't invite refugees - because Labour are not in power.
They can't do anything much without power.

Labour has been agonising over Blair & Iraq for 9 years
Tories are happy for this to continue and will feed it, because it is keeps Labour distracted.
Tories cut off their scandals ruthlessly by sacking the culprit and then moving on
Blair is long gone.
Impotent fury achieves nothing. Is there anything practical that Labour could or should do ?

The remaining Blairites are demoralised, so Labour in Parliament should grab the opportunity:
focus now on getting a competent non-Blairite non-ideological leader, who can unite & lead the PLP and be an effective Leader of the Opposition; then build them up to be PM in 2020.

TheBathroomSink · 10/07/2016 22:45

Mrslupo - it would work with my rescue plan of getting Andy Murray, Gareth Bale, Rory mcilroy and whichever English sportsperson puts in a reasonable showing at Rio in charge of the whole fucking mess

Muddlingalongalone · 10/07/2016 22:47

Jeez if she's crying now imagine the first head to head with Putin, Merkel et al
I made roast chicken today - does that make me a potential pm of the future? No unicorns in the garden tbough

RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 22:48

Jo Maugham QC ‏@JolyonMaugham · 18m18 minutes ago
On a spectrum of transparency, with publishing tax returns at one end and doing nothing on the other, I'm not sure you'd find Ms Leadsom.

Ms Leadsom's selective disclosure is to a tax return what an estate agent's photo is to a house.

(((Adrian Hunt))) ‏@ahuntbrumlaw · 7m7 minutes ago
@JolyonMaugham what kind of things are missing?

Jo Maugham QC ‏@JolyonMaugham · 5m5 minutes ago
@ahuntbrumlaw her return could have contained a disclosure of tax avoidance scheme number, for example.

(((Adrian Hunt))) ‏@ahuntbrumlaw · 2m2 minutes ago
@JolyonMaugham I'm assuming you suspect there are other assets/income etc not(?) liable to tax but not disclosed here for examination

Lee 'Budgie' Barnett ‏@budgie
@JolyonMaugham Is it that they think by disclosing some, media will report they've disclosed tax returns so off the hook?

Jo Maugham QC @JolyonMaugham

@budgie yep. And given how crap our media have been on the issue they're likely to be right.

Jo Maugham QC @JolyonMaugham
@budgie yep. And given how crap our media have been on the issue they're likely to be right.

Jo Maugham QC @JolyonMaugham

@budgie yep. And given how crap our media have been on the issue they're likely to be right.

Lee 'Budgie' Barnett ‏@budgie London
@JolyonMaugham Yeah, that worries me. I'm not convinced on the whole "disclose your tax returns" thing but f you do, should be full returns.

Jo Maugham QC ‏@JolyonMaugham · 13m13 minutes ago
@budgie you shouldn't be able to get away with saying you're publishing them and not publishing them.

Lee 'Budgie' Barnett ‏@budgie London
@JolyonMaugham Yep. And given the general lack of understanding of what a tax return does and doesn't contain, makes bad situation worse.

Jo Maugham QC @JolyonMaugham

It's the dance of the seven veils. You only get to see what Ms Leadsom wants you to see. #ChooseYourMetaphor

Well ain't this just an interesting exchange.
Jo Maugham QC is a tax specialist.

So Journalists, if you are reading, perhaps you'd like to prove the power of MN and get on the case.
We'd like to know a bit more about this.

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prettybird · 10/07/2016 22:48

During the Scottish Independence referendum, the Better Together campaign produced a video about a woman making up her mind while eating her cereal, having not really listened to the arguments. Maybe AL has been inspired by her Wink

BigChocFrenzy · 10/07/2016 22:48

That is pathetic, red Does that poor little weepy woman tactic really attract Tory Party votes for PM Hmm
She wouldn't stand up to a tough PTA meetimg
Merkel will send her home in floods of tears.
I don't want to think about Putin

TheNorthRemembers · 10/07/2016 22:49

Marking my place. Loved OP.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/07/2016 22:50

If the Tory members just want someone for a quick Brexit, then put any England football team manager in charge - they always do quick exits !

GingerIvy · 10/07/2016 22:53

Is AL going to have to have the EU Parliament meet in her kitchen so she can destress by cooking a roast for them all? Hmm Defies logic.

prettybird · 10/07/2016 22:54

....alternative version

Actually, I can just see Loathsome thinking along these lines Sad

GingerIvy · 10/07/2016 22:55

Was she possibly confusing Brexit for Bisto this whole time and thought she was campaigning for gravy? Confused

TheBathroomSink · 10/07/2016 22:57

I think loathsome is channeling that old Daily Express favourite, Diana. I expect her next TV interview to be with someone v sympathetic, probably from c5, and include lots of fluttering eyelashes and breathy voice. That's about her level.

Angela Merkel must think it's Christmas.

Floisme · 10/07/2016 23:02

Is there anything practical that Labour could or should do ?
This is what I would like to see:
Blair's cabinet are partly culpable. The only one who refused to back him was Robin Cook. Some of them are still around and I would like to see them take a lead here and acknowledge their part in this. I'm not looking for heads on plates, I'm looking for someone to step up and show a bit of moral backbone. John Prescott has possibly started. Good.

It's never too late to admit you've fucked up.

colouringinagain · 10/07/2016 23:04

Awesome if stomach-churning summary Red

Chalalala · 10/07/2016 23:05

At least the Guardian are doing their job

Richard Murphy, director of Tax Research UK, a tax campaign group, said what Leadsom had published did not constitute a full tax return.

“This isn’t her tax return, it’s a tax computation,” said Murphy. “It’s a summary of numerical information but not an explanation of where it came from or what tax is due. It excludes all the information that might be of interest, so she has not published her tax return.”

TheBathroomSink · 10/07/2016 23:07

They can't do that chalalala it's making loathsome sad, so actually doing your job is now going to be replaced with just talking about unicorns and roast potatoes. And bisto.

Globetrotter100 · 10/07/2016 23:07

Angela Merkel must think it's Christmas

God I wish we had a PM as good as Merkel. I may not have agreed with 100% of her decisions but she's fair/balanced moderate, humane, professional, credible, intelligent, diplomatic and a true statesman.

I compare that with UK now...cringe.

Thinking about it, I'm quite up for a move to Germany.

HesterThrale · 10/07/2016 23:07

I really like your idea MrsLupo, about England and Wales voting on whether they want to leave the UK so they can leave the EU. After all, Scotland and NI aren't the ones who want to totally alter the constitution: they want to carry on the same. I wouldn't be surprised if a very creative solution like this is formulated in the end, which makes most people satisfied. But who will be the super-clever person to come up with it?

RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 23:08

David Aaronovitch ‏@DAaronovitch
Interesting cameo from Corbynista Clive Lewis MP on @BBCRadio4′s Westminster Hour just now. Seemed to regard split as inevitable and good.

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