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The Westministenders / Media Baron Hunger Games continues. Is it about to all implode?

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 18:51

THE BREXIT FALLOUT OUT CONTINUES - THREAD SEVEN!

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The Story So Far – Blue Corner
Johnson & Gove stabbed Cameron & Osborne. They then won a big vote about something or other. I forget the details. I’m not sure it matters anymore.

Johnson got then stabbed by Gove. Johnson joined Leadsom. Gove got stung by his mate Boles who was trying stab Leadsom, and he ended up getting stabbed by just about everyone.

Where We Are Now – Blue Corner
Out of the ashes of the mess that the posh boys made, emerged two unexpected contenders to become the Torchbearer for the Tories.

#Team May
The Home Secretary, and the former figure of hate, is now looking like she might be the choice of sanity and the one who might just be able to save us from ourselves. She is the choice of the left and centre. The left and centre now being anyone who thinks ‘The 1950s were very nice, but actually we’d prefer not to go back there. A return to the 1970s is far enough, thanks’.

She is supported by just about the entire mainstream media (which in itself is quite an achievement – The Sun and The Guardian being united in editorial opinion) and the majority of Conservative MPs. We don’t know this, but she quite possibly unites the Labour Party on the subject too.

#Team Leadsom
The Junior minister made good, and has outmanoeuvred all her superiors in the cabinet to throw her hat in the ring. The trouble is that she’s either somewhat naïve, a bit of an arsehole or a scheming liar. And that’s the charitable version.

She is emerging as the Sarah Palin of the UK, and has some dubious looking Tea Party links. In the era of post fact politics Project Fear is now Project Smear. Of course this makes her Mrs Umbridge, the poor apple pie lover, bullied by the political elite and media establishment, rather than a fruit cake.

BUT
Underestimate her appeal at your peril. She has a big field of unicorns somewhere that we’ve not been able to track down on googlemaps so far, and she is preparing to unleash them.

She is the choice of the Right. She is supported by much of the depths of twitter, Louise Mensch, UKIP, Arron Banks, BNP and Britain First.

Oh and that tax return? Hmm

Our future fate is to be decided by 150,000 Conservative Members (two thirds of whom are men and roughly 50% of whom are over sixty).

How we look back at David Cameron’s tweet on the 4th May 2015 with such fondness:
Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with me, or chaos with Ed Miliband.

Send me the link for the petition to ‘Come Back Dave, all is forgiven’. We have at least six weeks of this particular shower of shit to look forward to, before the next one hits.

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The Story So Far – Purple Corner
Many years ago, Nigel Farage founded the idea and started his one man campaign for the UK to leave the EU. (Except he didn’t. It was someone else’s idea. He just took over and took the credit for it). He became the poster boy for the Leave campaign, despite not being affiliated with it. He stood and claimed victory, without a shot fired.

As he said to the European Parliament with impeccable manners and good grace, ‘We aren’t laughing now’. To be fair to him, we weren’t. We were all shouting ‘FUCK OFF’ instead. After securing his £7000 pay rise as an MEP, he decided enough was enough, and it was time to ‘get his life back’ (he got sacked) and look for a career as a contestant on reality TV shows.

I hear Help I’m a Celeb have offered half a million for his services.

Where We Are Now – Purple Corner
Quicker than you can say, ‘Oh Thank God(win) for that’, we are already are starting to miss ‘Our Nige’, the cheeky chappy from next door. Instead the options are looking bleak, as candidates start to crawl out from under their rocks. The spectre of Arron Banks and his call to arms for ‘freedom’ lurks in the shadow.

For those of you unfamiliar with Mr Banks so far in this story, he’s one of UKIP’s biggest donors. He and his mate Andy Wigmore run an offshore insurance company out of Gibraltar. Banks, was head honcho of Leave.eu and one of his other mates, hypnotist Paul McKenna, gave advice on how to influence people with propaganda. Banks and Wigmore have some connections with Belize. Bank’s ex-wife was accused of being one of the KGB’s best agents. They are now divorced and she has a harassment order out on him. He does not like the ‘Uk elite’ and takes it personality.
Sounds like just the kind of guy, you’d love to move in as a neighbour.

This is the very definition of shit.

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The Story So Far – Red Corner
Once upon a time, there was a man named Blair. He waved a lot of flags said ‘Cool Britannia’ and smiled a lot. But Tony turned out to not be such a good ‘un. He didn’t play by the rules and got caught out. Blair was made to appear on national television to defend himself. He cried, and told us how he couldn’t sleep at night, but actually he did do the right thing and everyone is still wrong and we are all picking on him.

Does he need to go away and think about it for a while? Say, in a locked room for several years?

Where We Are Now – Red Corner
The WMD that Bliar lost in Iraq finally turned up in Labour HQ on 24th June. However, no one has been prepared to let off a controlled explosion yet. Apparently there is something of an aversion to Big Red Buttons (otherwise know to us simple folks as ‘Agreeing on Something’ and ‘Making Decisions’) within the party.

Corbyn, the champion of Momentum, has been carrying on as if nothing is happening, there is no problem and its everyone else is wrong, insisting that since he had a mandate from the people 10 months ago and it’s all still honky dory. He’s doing his job just fine and leading is well, a bit of an inconvenience to his rally schedule.

The Unions seem to have declared war on Tom Watson. His name has been added to the ever growing list of ‘traitors’.

Across the country action has been taken against these ‘traitors’. Normally this behaviour would be classed as ‘thuggery’ and ‘intimidation’. In post-fact Britain though, this is now acceptable, if it’s from the Left. Violence against Labour members is only disgusting if it is carried out by the right, you see.

Apparently, as the Momentum chief says, ‘winning’ is only a ‘small bit’ of democracy that matters to ‘political elites who want to keep power themselves’.

Obviously political gains that help and protect the interests of the working classes and poor are surplus to requirements. I guess their ultimate aim is to win no Labour seats at all then. Good stuff. We are headed in the right direction for that one.

Angela Eagle left her doorstep, and went on the telly after a week of refusing to make a decision to say ‘Ok I’m going to stand to remove a man who refuses to make decisions’. Apparently she is doing this to ‘Heal Labour’.

Someone break it to her, that if Labour gets its legs blown off by Corbynite, the chances of them healing, are somewhat remote.

To make matter worse, Corbyn disagrees with how you get on the ballot paper, and might not be it at this rate. Or it might end up in court. Like article 50.

Owen Smith is the other pretender to the Crown of Roses. We know who he is now. He’s err… He’s still welsh!

What do we reckon the chances of Labour surviving as one party are? Zero to none? This is more like wading through shit than a shower of it.

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The Story So Far – Yellow Corner
Tumbleweed

Where We Are Now – Yellow Corner
Everyone’s been praying for a ruddy miracle to end this torture and give the country an opposition party. Finally, Tim Farron, has awoken, removed his splinters from his arse, got off the fence in response to this. Amid growing rumblings of a complete political realignment and fleeing Labour and Conservative MPs, he says:

‘Hey folks, this political turmoil looks fun, can we join in too?!’

FACEPALM

No shit left to share.

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The consensus of opinion is that we might be a tiny teeny bit screwed.
Did someone mention the EU? EU? Oh fuck that, we’ve just about forgotten all that now!
Bigger fish to fry.
British ones of course.

We need really do need Gandalf to come save us from this madness.

Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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The Westministenders / Media Baron Hunger Games continues. Is it about to all implode?
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Chalalala · 12/07/2016 13:04

Not "just" death threats, her office was also bricked... so actual violence. And they are physically protecting the NEC meeting from "intimidation" by Corbyn supporters.

I don't care if they're on the right or on the left, they're scary.

Showmethewaytogohome · 12/07/2016 13:14

They are scary and they are not 'Labour' they are specifically pro Corbyn - they have no other agenda really. This shows how deep the infiltration of the party by SWP and others has gone. And they are fully aware of it but won't talk about it. The PLP will have to soon to distance themselves and appeal to the moderates

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2016 13:19

Momentum was previously called something like the Jeremy Corbyn Supporters Ltd. I do think the name change is interesting and obviously trying to make themselves look more than the cult that they are and to try and blur the lines between themselves and Labour.

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MrsLupo · 12/07/2016 13:21

Thank you all for your kind comments. I actually feel deeply uncomfortable being Corbyn’s chief cheerleader on these threads. I don’t want people to feel I am ramming my views down their throat. I am very left leaning as a result of the background I came from and the life experiences I’ve had, so I see Corbyn very much as an antidote to the right-leaning ‘normal’ of post-Thatcher British politics. (The fact that people are describing Theresa May as ‘centre ground’ suddenly tells you all you need to know about the relative shift of politics in the last 30 years.) I couldn’t give a stuff about the cult of the man himself, although I like him, but it matters very much to me that his ascendance has encouraged so many voters to consider a more leftist approach both desirable and viable. I would happily back someone to continue that work instead of him, as I agree his heart is probably more in his allotment than his shadow cabinet, but I see no one poised to do that. Angela Eagle's campaign so far has been an embarrassment. The bizarre way this coup has unfolded speaks clearly to me of a behind-the-scenes campaign to realign the Labour party back to the inoffensive 'centre', and I think that is wrong. It is all very well to say that socialist ideals belong in a different party, but it was the members who voted in droves to take party policy in that direction. No one expected Corbyn’s nomination to result in him winning the leadership, least of all him. There was no radical takeover. Much has been made of the role of the £3 infiltrators, but in fact Corbyn got 49.6% of the existing members’ votes. These are people who clearly found nothing for them in what Cooper, Burnham and Kendall had to say before Corbyn got his 50 signatures - or after, for that matter. The hundreds of thousands who have joined the party since suggest to me there is also an appetite for Corbyn-style socialism among the wider electorate.

All of that said, I very much hope we won’t see the Labour party descend into mutual litigation. I admire Corbyn for staying put to honour that leadership election mandate in the face of the PLP’s treachery, when, whatever he says, he must have felt pretty crappy about everything that was being said and done. I think that without question he should be allowed on to be on any challenge ballot (the rules aren’t that hard to understand fgs), but if the NEC rules otherwise, there’s nothing to be gained by fighting on imo. Labour is finished if they exclude him, and may be finished anyway after everything that has happened. What will be interesting to see is whether Britain as a liberal democracy is finished too.

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2016 13:23

www.thepoke.co.uk/2016/07/12/madame-tussauds-brexit-protest-hell-yeah/

Someone summing up Jeremy Corbyn's statement:
(((Max Wind-Cowie))) @MaxWindCowie
"Anything to say about Angela Eagle being abused?"
"Yes. It's extremely concerning that I've received death threats"

It sadly seems a pretty fair assessment.

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MrsLupo · 12/07/2016 13:24

This is the speech Corbyn gave the day after the referendum result btw, which we were talking about the other day. It was shown live on the BBC News 24 channel but hasn’t been broadcast again at all since, even in shortened or soundbite form. I have just tracked it down on youtube:

This is why I feel any sense we may have of Corbyn radio silence on any given day is not necessarily to be relied on.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 12/07/2016 13:26

The other thing Labour keep forgetting is that they can unite behind whichever candidate they choose - Corbyn or Eagle or whoever - but without the Scottish vote they are still stuffed. They aren't managing to sway voters away from the SNP at all - the Tories are now the second party in Holyrood. And if they keep buggering around like this then they aren't going to manage to attract anyone at all. Personally, I like Corbyn's policies, but it is all such a mess that I'm never going to vote Labour when the SNP are a much more attractive option - and agree on most of the policies!

Showmethewaytogohome · 12/07/2016 13:29

Mrs Lupo I really like your posts. The issue for me is at the coalface if you pardon the pun it is clear there really has been infiltration - I have seen and heard it first hand. SWP and other seasoned agitators are influencing Momentum and seeking to take control of CLP's

I am also to the left of the party. The Labour party has never been fully socialist. Ever. It has and should continue to be broad church. JC and his followers don't appear to want this. I believe in compromise and democracy by creating a working opposition for our country is more important that Corbyn, Momentum or any other faction of the party.

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2016 13:31

Mrs Lupo, I don't think May is the centre at all. I think she is trying to appeal to the centre ground in the sense that means - the wide bit in the middle and she's going for the right of that.

I agree with much of what you say as it goes. There needs to be more of a voice for the left. I just think Corbyn is making a hash of desperately need role in British politics. I think Labour does need to go left. It DOES have to move away from Cooper, Burnham and co. Momentum and indeed UKIP came out the vacuum of Labour abandoning this ground on the left.

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merrymouse · 12/07/2016 13:31

I think the root of Corbyn's initial success was a desire to see Labour grow a back bone and oppose the Tory party properly over bedroom tax, disability cuts lack of economic support for the regions etc. etc.

The problem now is that Corbyn's views still wouldn't make him electable, he doesn't appear to be at all interested in the grunt work of leading a party, he has some rather dodgy acolytes... and there still doesn't appear to be an alternative candidate with a back bone.

Still, who knows what could happen by the end of the week?

Chalalala · 12/07/2016 13:32

(The fact that people are describing Theresa May as ‘centre ground’ suddenly tells you all you need to know about the relative shift of politics in the last 30 years.)

I think you may be referring to a post of mine - just to be clear I don't think she's centre ground herself, she's clearly very much to the right even of Cameron - but I meant that she has strategically positioned her leadership platform to be perceived as "moderate", going back on austerity, even stealing lines from Miliband.

I don't believe for a second that she's a moderate, but that's the image she's trying to convey right now.

Your posts are appreciated!

Showmethewaytogohome · 12/07/2016 13:32

Red very true. And I wish everyone would stop using the words traitor or treacherous. He isn't a king. He's just a really bad leader (and from what I have heard anecdotally actually not a very nice man)

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2016 13:33

Oh and May is to the right of where she is trying to pitch.

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GingerIvy · 12/07/2016 13:34

I'm not generally a Frankie Boyle fan, but in the essence of fairness I will post this one as well. And then I'll go read it. Grin

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/12/theresa-may-has-vowed-to-unite-britain-my-guess-is-against-the-poor?CMP=twt_gu

officerhinrika · 12/07/2016 13:40

Only a couple of weeks ago I came across Chris Mullins "A Very British Coup" and re-read it. I remember thinking that it hadn't worn very well and was a bit far fetched these days. Now I'm not so sure.

Showmethewaytogohome · 12/07/2016 13:44

It's time for a real contender to step up so Angela can bow out soon. Owen Smith ....come on down......Lisa Nandy....come on down.....anyone with some balls and ethics....come on down

CBW · 12/07/2016 13:44

There haven't been any unicorns today. Can we discuss fantasy cabinet instead. How about Ken Clarke, Chris Patten who has actually negotiated something, Shirley Williams and Ruth Davidson?

Showmethewaytogohome · 12/07/2016 13:46

Can I have John Smith if it's a fantasy cabinet? And Dear Mo Mowlam

CBW · 12/07/2016 13:47

Agreed

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2016 13:53

If its fantasy I'm going to be controversial and say Thatcher for the Brexit Team. Our rebate is a thing of wonder.

Can't stand what else she did.

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derxa · 12/07/2016 13:53

Shirley Williams I love her. She lives near me and is still as sharp as a tack.

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2016 14:03

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/12/post-brexit-labour-tories-crisis-eu?CMP=twt_gu
Both Labour and the Conservatives should split.

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RedToothBrush · 12/07/2016 14:08

David Cameron has his final day as PM and he's visiting a school.

I am laughing at the photo of him published by the Press Association of sat eating a school dinner at a table with a bunch of kids, with a face that looks like he is looking at one of his team going "this is my last supper?"

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kesstrel · 12/07/2016 14:11

Meanwhile, Larry the Cat is staying put: a gorgeous selection of portraits to be found here:

www.theguardian.com/politics/gallery/2016/jul/12/larry-the-cat-votes-remain-in-pictures

Grin
Showmethewaytogohome · 12/07/2016 14:12

I think the Tories will hobble through as they always have. They like to snipe and stab but will keep going as ultimately they know there is no other way for them.

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