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The Westministenders / Media Baron Hunger Games continues. Is it about to all implode?

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 18:51

THE BREXIT FALLOUT OUT CONTINUES - THREAD SEVEN!

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The Story So Far – Blue Corner
Johnson & Gove stabbed Cameron & Osborne. They then won a big vote about something or other. I forget the details. I’m not sure it matters anymore.

Johnson got then stabbed by Gove. Johnson joined Leadsom. Gove got stung by his mate Boles who was trying stab Leadsom, and he ended up getting stabbed by just about everyone.

Where We Are Now – Blue Corner
Out of the ashes of the mess that the posh boys made, emerged two unexpected contenders to become the Torchbearer for the Tories.

#Team May
The Home Secretary, and the former figure of hate, is now looking like she might be the choice of sanity and the one who might just be able to save us from ourselves. She is the choice of the left and centre. The left and centre now being anyone who thinks ‘The 1950s were very nice, but actually we’d prefer not to go back there. A return to the 1970s is far enough, thanks’.

She is supported by just about the entire mainstream media (which in itself is quite an achievement – The Sun and The Guardian being united in editorial opinion) and the majority of Conservative MPs. We don’t know this, but she quite possibly unites the Labour Party on the subject too.

#Team Leadsom
The Junior minister made good, and has outmanoeuvred all her superiors in the cabinet to throw her hat in the ring. The trouble is that she’s either somewhat naïve, a bit of an arsehole or a scheming liar. And that’s the charitable version.

She is emerging as the Sarah Palin of the UK, and has some dubious looking Tea Party links. In the era of post fact politics Project Fear is now Project Smear. Of course this makes her Mrs Umbridge, the poor apple pie lover, bullied by the political elite and media establishment, rather than a fruit cake.

BUT
Underestimate her appeal at your peril. She has a big field of unicorns somewhere that we’ve not been able to track down on googlemaps so far, and she is preparing to unleash them.

She is the choice of the Right. She is supported by much of the depths of twitter, Louise Mensch, UKIP, Arron Banks, BNP and Britain First.

Oh and that tax return? Hmm

Our future fate is to be decided by 150,000 Conservative Members (two thirds of whom are men and roughly 50% of whom are over sixty).

How we look back at David Cameron’s tweet on the 4th May 2015 with such fondness:
Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with me, or chaos with Ed Miliband.

Send me the link for the petition to ‘Come Back Dave, all is forgiven’. We have at least six weeks of this particular shower of shit to look forward to, before the next one hits.

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The Story So Far – Purple Corner
Many years ago, Nigel Farage founded the idea and started his one man campaign for the UK to leave the EU. (Except he didn’t. It was someone else’s idea. He just took over and took the credit for it). He became the poster boy for the Leave campaign, despite not being affiliated with it. He stood and claimed victory, without a shot fired.

As he said to the European Parliament with impeccable manners and good grace, ‘We aren’t laughing now’. To be fair to him, we weren’t. We were all shouting ‘FUCK OFF’ instead. After securing his £7000 pay rise as an MEP, he decided enough was enough, and it was time to ‘get his life back’ (he got sacked) and look for a career as a contestant on reality TV shows.

I hear Help I’m a Celeb have offered half a million for his services.

Where We Are Now – Purple Corner
Quicker than you can say, ‘Oh Thank God(win) for that’, we are already are starting to miss ‘Our Nige’, the cheeky chappy from next door. Instead the options are looking bleak, as candidates start to crawl out from under their rocks. The spectre of Arron Banks and his call to arms for ‘freedom’ lurks in the shadow.

For those of you unfamiliar with Mr Banks so far in this story, he’s one of UKIP’s biggest donors. He and his mate Andy Wigmore run an offshore insurance company out of Gibraltar. Banks, was head honcho of Leave.eu and one of his other mates, hypnotist Paul McKenna, gave advice on how to influence people with propaganda. Banks and Wigmore have some connections with Belize. Bank’s ex-wife was accused of being one of the KGB’s best agents. They are now divorced and she has a harassment order out on him. He does not like the ‘Uk elite’ and takes it personality.
Sounds like just the kind of guy, you’d love to move in as a neighbour.

This is the very definition of shit.

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The Story So Far – Red Corner
Once upon a time, there was a man named Blair. He waved a lot of flags said ‘Cool Britannia’ and smiled a lot. But Tony turned out to not be such a good ‘un. He didn’t play by the rules and got caught out. Blair was made to appear on national television to defend himself. He cried, and told us how he couldn’t sleep at night, but actually he did do the right thing and everyone is still wrong and we are all picking on him.

Does he need to go away and think about it for a while? Say, in a locked room for several years?

Where We Are Now – Red Corner
The WMD that Bliar lost in Iraq finally turned up in Labour HQ on 24th June. However, no one has been prepared to let off a controlled explosion yet. Apparently there is something of an aversion to Big Red Buttons (otherwise know to us simple folks as ‘Agreeing on Something’ and ‘Making Decisions’) within the party.

Corbyn, the champion of Momentum, has been carrying on as if nothing is happening, there is no problem and its everyone else is wrong, insisting that since he had a mandate from the people 10 months ago and it’s all still honky dory. He’s doing his job just fine and leading is well, a bit of an inconvenience to his rally schedule.

The Unions seem to have declared war on Tom Watson. His name has been added to the ever growing list of ‘traitors’.

Across the country action has been taken against these ‘traitors’. Normally this behaviour would be classed as ‘thuggery’ and ‘intimidation’. In post-fact Britain though, this is now acceptable, if it’s from the Left. Violence against Labour members is only disgusting if it is carried out by the right, you see.

Apparently, as the Momentum chief says, ‘winning’ is only a ‘small bit’ of democracy that matters to ‘political elites who want to keep power themselves’.

Obviously political gains that help and protect the interests of the working classes and poor are surplus to requirements. I guess their ultimate aim is to win no Labour seats at all then. Good stuff. We are headed in the right direction for that one.

Angela Eagle left her doorstep, and went on the telly after a week of refusing to make a decision to say ‘Ok I’m going to stand to remove a man who refuses to make decisions’. Apparently she is doing this to ‘Heal Labour’.

Someone break it to her, that if Labour gets its legs blown off by Corbynite, the chances of them healing, are somewhat remote.

To make matter worse, Corbyn disagrees with how you get on the ballot paper, and might not be it at this rate. Or it might end up in court. Like article 50.

Owen Smith is the other pretender to the Crown of Roses. We know who he is now. He’s err… He’s still welsh!

What do we reckon the chances of Labour surviving as one party are? Zero to none? This is more like wading through shit than a shower of it.

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The Story So Far – Yellow Corner
Tumbleweed

Where We Are Now – Yellow Corner
Everyone’s been praying for a ruddy miracle to end this torture and give the country an opposition party. Finally, Tim Farron, has awoken, removed his splinters from his arse, got off the fence in response to this. Amid growing rumblings of a complete political realignment and fleeing Labour and Conservative MPs, he says:

‘Hey folks, this political turmoil looks fun, can we join in too?!’

FACEPALM

No shit left to share.

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The consensus of opinion is that we might be a tiny teeny bit screwed.
Did someone mention the EU? EU? Oh fuck that, we’ve just about forgotten all that now!
Bigger fish to fry.
British ones of course.

We need really do need Gandalf to come save us from this madness.

Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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derxa · 11/07/2016 14:26

Shaping Brexit would be about a million times more productive than trying to stop it. Yes I voted Remain but let's get on with it. Who knows what will happen. Every cloud has a silver lining and shit like that.

Peregrina · 11/07/2016 14:30

Gisela is the wrong party, but she is another one who has been remarkably quiet during the last two and a half weeks.

TheBathroomSink · 11/07/2016 14:31

At the moment, the hard right Leave people must be feeling as disenfranchised as those who voted Remain.

Yes, and that is what Banks is hoping for, he's planning to scoop them all up into his Newkip, and make himself the darling of the far-right.

I think TM will be very aware of this, and will probably have at least a couple of them in prominent Cabinet roles and on her Brexit team.

TheBathroomSink · 11/07/2016 14:32

And we're back down the rabbit hole, as LM says something we've already said:

Louise Mensch ‏@LouiseMensch 30s31 seconds ago
It also shows Labour once more that the Conservatives are the natural party of government. After fights, we unify. Labour throws tantrums.

nauticant · 11/07/2016 14:36

As I mentioned upthread Peregrina she was on Any Questions on Radio 4 over the weekend being in denial and lost. Give it a couple more weeks and if you call her name she'll say "Gisela who? Never heard of her."

OneArt · 11/07/2016 14:36

Thanks for the explanations - really helpful.

prettybird · 11/07/2016 14:37

Tiggytape - there are an awful lot of Remain voting Scots who would be extremely upset at you saying that they voted SNP. Shock

I know of some otherwise intelligent who seriously considered voting Leave even though they believed in the EU because they "hated the thought of the sleekit Nicola using a Remain vote to re-open the wounds of the Independence Campaign" - and expected the Remain to win the day. I bet those that followed through on that thinking are feeling sick Hmm

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 14:38

Repeal of the 1972 EEC Act suspended pending Brexit deal would stop legal challenges apparently.

John Redwood was talking about this earlier so does look like that's the way it will go.

We would not need to hit a50 before doing this. This could in theory now happen before the summer recess. Tory MPs can not rebel given the circumstances therefore this is a done deal.

This leaves only the Lords. They may block on grounds of Scotland / NI so it would probably be a case of getting something on the table with regard to that pretty fast. I think if we get a rapid 1972 EEC vote it may all be timed so Commons vote just before summer, and Lords business for this falls deliberately into timetable for after the summer to give time to sort that aspect of the problem.

There is now very little way of getting out of Brexit imho.

Given UKIP are taking of armed revolution if we do try to, then maybe that's not the worst thing....

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TheBathroomSink · 11/07/2016 14:39

Holy fucking hell
"Moments before Andrea Leadsom’s announcement one of her most ardent MP supporters was telling me that Mrs Leadsom would clear out the top echelon of Whitehall if she came to power: Mark Carney, the Cabinet Secretary Sir Jeremy Heywood, the top EU-focused officials, “the lot,” he said."

BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2016 14:41

The Tory party focuses on winning GEs.
Almost all the party will swallow their principles to achieve this.
They don't do suicide over points of principle
The country, the economy - and the EU - is suffering badly under the uncertainty.

So Brexit will happen, unless the HoC / judiciary wish to overturn a referendum
It's just that Brexite-Lite have smashed Brexit-OnSteroids.

May will probably attempt the least bad option of the EEA, which a majority of the voters would settle for.
Norway don't fancy us bullying and buggering up their system like we did in the EU, but the US, France, Germany are very eager to get the best possible way out of this mess.
So, after tough negotiations, Norway will probably have to lump it.

Alternatively, May might genuinely have found a Brexit unicorn which none of the willy-waggers noticed.
I'm pretty sure she would be guided by pragmatism in getting the best Brexit for the UK, whatever form that might be.

CrystalMcPistol · 11/07/2016 14:41

Get rid of Mark Carney? What a numpty. He's the only one who's shown any backbone and leadership since Brexit.

InShockReally · 11/07/2016 14:43

"Given UKIP are taking of armed revolution if we do try to, then maybe that's not the worst thing...."

Can't tell you how much I love us all just being held hostage by such shitty, racist arseholes.

(And I know, I KNOW - "not all leavers are UKIP supporters". But still...)

tiggytape · 11/07/2016 14:43

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GingerIvy · 11/07/2016 14:43

After work and pensions questions in the Commons today, we'll have two urgent questions.

The first is from Labour's Helen Goodman on parliamentary approval for activating Article 50, the mechanism for leaving the European Union. There is some disagreement over whether an act of Parliament is required - as BBC Reality Check outlines.

The second is from Labour's Andrew Slaughter, on the safety of staff in prisons. Prison officers across England and Wales staged unofficial walkouts at the weekend in protest over plans to change the way they work.

After that, there's a statement on the recent Nato summit in Warsaw, which saw Barack Obama predict the UK will remain a major contributor to European security.

GingerIvy · 11/07/2016 14:43

(copied that)

BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2016 14:44

We do need to slam back hard against UKIP implied threats of violence if they don't get all their own way.
The country voted Brexit - but very narrowly
So the form of Brexit should be Lite not OnSteroids.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 14:44

I'm just reading that TBS.

Leadsom was so far out of her depth its untrue.

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Floisme · 11/07/2016 14:47

Fuck me sideways - I only went into a meeting Shock

Once again, the tory party proves it has no peers as a ruthless machine.
That's a compliment by the way.
Impeccable timing too.
Off to catch up.

GingerIvy · 11/07/2016 14:49

TM back at Parliament now.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 14:50

We do need to slam back hard against UKIP implied threats of violence if they don't get all their own way.
The country voted Brexit - but very narrowly
So the form of Brexit should be Lite not OnSteroids.

Very much so. I do think May's pitch to the centre was interesting. I think its a move to stop politics polarising and the fear of there being no centre force in politics and the implications of that. Also the centre contains a lot of the middle earners - many of whom have been looking for ways to leave the country. This would be catastrophic for the economy. Its smart.

Her whole pitch is about stopping the far right. Its got fuck all to do with Labour.

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nauticant · 11/07/2016 14:51

I've been roaming about elsewhere on the Internet and I see that some Remainers seem to be taking today's developments as a sign that Brexit won't happen. While I'm hoping the UK gets some kind of Norway deal with proper access to the Single Market I can't see us remaining in the EU. Have people taken leave of their senses or is it me?

The past few days have shifted my thinking. I'm not longer in the Remain camp, that ship has sailed good and proper, and now I'm in the Leave on a rational basis camp.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 14:52

Westminster voting intention:
CON: 38% (+1)
LAB: 30% (-)
UKIP: 15% (-)
LDEM: 8% (-)
GRN: 4% (-)
(via ICM / 08 - 10 Jul)
Chgs. from 01-03/07.

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TheBathroomSink · 11/07/2016 14:56

Her whole pitch is about stopping the far right. Its got fuck all to do with Labour.

Yes, and labour can't stop bickering long enough to make her take them into account, as far as I can see.

Frankly, any MP who was team loathsome and knew about that Carney threat should be taking a long hard look at themselves.

GingerIvy · 11/07/2016 14:57

Well, why would she bother expending any energy on Labour? They're negligible right now - too busy chasing their own tails to do their job.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 14:58

Nauticant, its them.

Brexiteers have been pushing the idea that May as a Remainer, will not do it in order to push their candidates.

The trouble is, that in order to keep stability, May has very very little room to move. Her alternative would in likelihood to deal with riots and widespread civil unless. UNLESS the media pull a blinder and suddenly convince everyone that leaving the EU as an alternative would be the seven depths of hell which frankly is an impossible task given levels of trust in government.

I personally can not see a magic way out, that does not deliver massive social problems (the Lords would get May off the hook but this would still be nasty).

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