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The Westministenders / Media Baron Hunger Games continues. Is it about to all implode?

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 18:51

THE BREXIT FALLOUT OUT CONTINUES - THREAD SEVEN!

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The Story So Far – Blue Corner
Johnson & Gove stabbed Cameron & Osborne. They then won a big vote about something or other. I forget the details. I’m not sure it matters anymore.

Johnson got then stabbed by Gove. Johnson joined Leadsom. Gove got stung by his mate Boles who was trying stab Leadsom, and he ended up getting stabbed by just about everyone.

Where We Are Now – Blue Corner
Out of the ashes of the mess that the posh boys made, emerged two unexpected contenders to become the Torchbearer for the Tories.

#Team May
The Home Secretary, and the former figure of hate, is now looking like she might be the choice of sanity and the one who might just be able to save us from ourselves. She is the choice of the left and centre. The left and centre now being anyone who thinks ‘The 1950s were very nice, but actually we’d prefer not to go back there. A return to the 1970s is far enough, thanks’.

She is supported by just about the entire mainstream media (which in itself is quite an achievement – The Sun and The Guardian being united in editorial opinion) and the majority of Conservative MPs. We don’t know this, but she quite possibly unites the Labour Party on the subject too.

#Team Leadsom
The Junior minister made good, and has outmanoeuvred all her superiors in the cabinet to throw her hat in the ring. The trouble is that she’s either somewhat naïve, a bit of an arsehole or a scheming liar. And that’s the charitable version.

She is emerging as the Sarah Palin of the UK, and has some dubious looking Tea Party links. In the era of post fact politics Project Fear is now Project Smear. Of course this makes her Mrs Umbridge, the poor apple pie lover, bullied by the political elite and media establishment, rather than a fruit cake.

BUT
Underestimate her appeal at your peril. She has a big field of unicorns somewhere that we’ve not been able to track down on googlemaps so far, and she is preparing to unleash them.

She is the choice of the Right. She is supported by much of the depths of twitter, Louise Mensch, UKIP, Arron Banks, BNP and Britain First.

Oh and that tax return? Hmm

Our future fate is to be decided by 150,000 Conservative Members (two thirds of whom are men and roughly 50% of whom are over sixty).

How we look back at David Cameron’s tweet on the 4th May 2015 with such fondness:
Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice - stability and strong Government with me, or chaos with Ed Miliband.

Send me the link for the petition to ‘Come Back Dave, all is forgiven’. We have at least six weeks of this particular shower of shit to look forward to, before the next one hits.

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The Story So Far – Purple Corner
Many years ago, Nigel Farage founded the idea and started his one man campaign for the UK to leave the EU. (Except he didn’t. It was someone else’s idea. He just took over and took the credit for it). He became the poster boy for the Leave campaign, despite not being affiliated with it. He stood and claimed victory, without a shot fired.

As he said to the European Parliament with impeccable manners and good grace, ‘We aren’t laughing now’. To be fair to him, we weren’t. We were all shouting ‘FUCK OFF’ instead. After securing his £7000 pay rise as an MEP, he decided enough was enough, and it was time to ‘get his life back’ (he got sacked) and look for a career as a contestant on reality TV shows.

I hear Help I’m a Celeb have offered half a million for his services.

Where We Are Now – Purple Corner
Quicker than you can say, ‘Oh Thank God(win) for that’, we are already are starting to miss ‘Our Nige’, the cheeky chappy from next door. Instead the options are looking bleak, as candidates start to crawl out from under their rocks. The spectre of Arron Banks and his call to arms for ‘freedom’ lurks in the shadow.

For those of you unfamiliar with Mr Banks so far in this story, he’s one of UKIP’s biggest donors. He and his mate Andy Wigmore run an offshore insurance company out of Gibraltar. Banks, was head honcho of Leave.eu and one of his other mates, hypnotist Paul McKenna, gave advice on how to influence people with propaganda. Banks and Wigmore have some connections with Belize. Bank’s ex-wife was accused of being one of the KGB’s best agents. They are now divorced and she has a harassment order out on him. He does not like the ‘Uk elite’ and takes it personality.
Sounds like just the kind of guy, you’d love to move in as a neighbour.

This is the very definition of shit.

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The Story So Far – Red Corner
Once upon a time, there was a man named Blair. He waved a lot of flags said ‘Cool Britannia’ and smiled a lot. But Tony turned out to not be such a good ‘un. He didn’t play by the rules and got caught out. Blair was made to appear on national television to defend himself. He cried, and told us how he couldn’t sleep at night, but actually he did do the right thing and everyone is still wrong and we are all picking on him.

Does he need to go away and think about it for a while? Say, in a locked room for several years?

Where We Are Now – Red Corner
The WMD that Bliar lost in Iraq finally turned up in Labour HQ on 24th June. However, no one has been prepared to let off a controlled explosion yet. Apparently there is something of an aversion to Big Red Buttons (otherwise know to us simple folks as ‘Agreeing on Something’ and ‘Making Decisions’) within the party.

Corbyn, the champion of Momentum, has been carrying on as if nothing is happening, there is no problem and its everyone else is wrong, insisting that since he had a mandate from the people 10 months ago and it’s all still honky dory. He’s doing his job just fine and leading is well, a bit of an inconvenience to his rally schedule.

The Unions seem to have declared war on Tom Watson. His name has been added to the ever growing list of ‘traitors’.

Across the country action has been taken against these ‘traitors’. Normally this behaviour would be classed as ‘thuggery’ and ‘intimidation’. In post-fact Britain though, this is now acceptable, if it’s from the Left. Violence against Labour members is only disgusting if it is carried out by the right, you see.

Apparently, as the Momentum chief says, ‘winning’ is only a ‘small bit’ of democracy that matters to ‘political elites who want to keep power themselves’.

Obviously political gains that help and protect the interests of the working classes and poor are surplus to requirements. I guess their ultimate aim is to win no Labour seats at all then. Good stuff. We are headed in the right direction for that one.

Angela Eagle left her doorstep, and went on the telly after a week of refusing to make a decision to say ‘Ok I’m going to stand to remove a man who refuses to make decisions’. Apparently she is doing this to ‘Heal Labour’.

Someone break it to her, that if Labour gets its legs blown off by Corbynite, the chances of them healing, are somewhat remote.

To make matter worse, Corbyn disagrees with how you get on the ballot paper, and might not be it at this rate. Or it might end up in court. Like article 50.

Owen Smith is the other pretender to the Crown of Roses. We know who he is now. He’s err… He’s still welsh!

What do we reckon the chances of Labour surviving as one party are? Zero to none? This is more like wading through shit than a shower of it.

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The Story So Far – Yellow Corner
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Where We Are Now – Yellow Corner
Everyone’s been praying for a ruddy miracle to end this torture and give the country an opposition party. Finally, Tim Farron, has awoken, removed his splinters from his arse, got off the fence in response to this. Amid growing rumblings of a complete political realignment and fleeing Labour and Conservative MPs, he says:

‘Hey folks, this political turmoil looks fun, can we join in too?!’

FACEPALM

No shit left to share.

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The consensus of opinion is that we might be a tiny teeny bit screwed.
Did someone mention the EU? EU? Oh fuck that, we’ve just about forgotten all that now!
Bigger fish to fry.
British ones of course.

We need really do need Gandalf to come save us from this madness.

Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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InShockReally · 11/07/2016 15:02

I don't know. While I think it's bound to happen, I'm still "remain" at heart; partly because yes, I think it's the wrong move, but also because the people who will be hit hardest by Brexit are those who needed saving through it the most.

Now, I don't mean to be totally dismissive - there were some who voted "leave" because they hate the EU system, they're frantic for some vague notion of "sovereignty", and they can be cheery as fuck in the next few months and years.

But there were others living in shit areas or without much money; who needed that NHS boost, who needed jobs and a good economy and more help besides. I don't see them loving the outcome. I really don't think that Brexit was the answer to their problems and in time that will be more than apparent.

Of course UKIP will scapegoat that on whoever's in charge I guess. And be active for years no matter what because let's face it, there are still "foreigners" in our sacred grounds. Hmm

nauticant · 11/07/2016 15:02

Thanks for your support during these difficult times RedToothBrush.

Looking at the speed of this thread, I hope you've got the next header lined up.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 15:05

order-order.com/2016/07/11/ukip-nec-votes-block-evans-whittle-banks-kassam/

UKIP to vote and block anyone who hasn't been in the party for 5 years from becoming leader.

This rules out Banks...

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nauticant · 11/07/2016 15:06

That's a perfectly valid position InShockReally. Since I think Brexit will happen I've decided to make my mental adjustment sooner rather than later.

I agree with your thought that when Brexit comes, the dissatisfaction with it may well be greater on the Leave side than on the Remain one.

GingerIvy · 11/07/2016 15:10

Crossing the i's and dotting the t's for Theresa May
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CrystalMcPistol · 11/07/2016 15:11

'UKIP to vote and block anyone who hasn't been in the party for 5 years from becoming leader.'

Phew to that ruling out Banks. I wonder if Neil Hamilton has been in the party long enough. Now he's the kind of guy I'd love to see 'leading' the loonies.

GingerIvy · 11/07/2016 15:12

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RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 15:13

Of course UKIP will scapegoat that on whoever's in charge I guess.

Yes, yes they will. They can't really loose tbh. UKIP have every chance of being a real force if Labour really don't get their act together.

Just watching interview with Osborne in NY. He's sooooo staying in the cabinet.

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GingerIvy · 11/07/2016 15:16

*Expect it to be appealed though, Suzanne Evans says: “I cannot imagine a decision more ridiculous”.

Of course. It wouldn't be in the recent spirit of things for anything to be straight forward. Grin

I don't mind seeing UKIP in disarray. Labour, on the other hand, needs to wake up.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 15:16

Hamilton COULD stand.
Or Steven Woolfe.

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Peregrina · 11/07/2016 15:20

I would still be for Remain, but I can't see it happening. I do think that many of us would accept a Norway like agreement, if it's possible. If May also does keep to her promises to put herself at the service of working people, and reins in boardroom excesses, and does something about the housing situation, and the N/S divide then she may also appeal to a number of people who feel disenfranchised.

Whether she can keep Scotland and N Ireland on board is a moot question. I expect some sort of deal would be stitched up with Gibraltar to keep them in.

merrymouse · 11/07/2016 15:21

We do need to slam back hard against UKIP implied threats of violence if they don't get all their own way.

Particularly as whatever UKIP thought Brexit was, nobody defined Brexit on the ballot paper.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 15:23

Rumour is DC wants to his last Prime Ministers Questions. May's Team don't want him to.

Taking a hard line already!

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GingerIvy · 11/07/2016 15:24

Good. I hope she wins on that one. He's cocked up royally, she may as well step in and start fixing things up again. He appears to be just going through the motions since the referendum, and barely even that.

GingerIvy · 11/07/2016 15:25

Um....... Hmm

Leadsom supporter expects she'll get 'significant role'

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InShockReally · 11/07/2016 15:26

Glad that Banks can't stand at least!

Oh I completely expect it to happen nauticant, I just can't bring myself around to thinking that's a good thing (I'd love to be wrong though, and honestly not just for my sake!)

annandale · 11/07/2016 15:27

[screeches in having heard the news late]

OMG!

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CrystalMcPistol · 11/07/2016 15:27

She's not fit to take charge of a cake sale nevermind hold a 'significant role' in government.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2016 15:28

EEA as Brexit is like being a major drama llama about leaving home, them moving to your mum's basement, among all her suitcases & junk
But better the basement than sleeping outside in a thunderstorm !

Worrying analysis of the UK being a disaster zone - pound / dollar parity, stagflation, spiralling national debt ...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/11/the-prospect-of-brexit-britain-turning-into-a-post-global-disaster-zone-is-real

Basically, the UK economy has been such crap for decades, in or out of the EU, that those who really understand it are panicking at how badly things may go after such a bad shock.

GingerIvy · 11/07/2016 15:30

I don't see why we have to follow anyone's model. Yes, they are possibilities, but perhaps negotiations will land us with a decent deal that's all our own. Time will tell.

nauticant · 11/07/2016 15:30

Yep. It should be made clear to Cameron:

Look Dave, although we normally give out a carriage clock you're leaving under a cloud so it would be best for everyone for you just to leave ASAP without us having to have a whip-round don't you think?

But if you insist on getting something, here's a black bin bag.

Floisme · 11/07/2016 15:34

Gah that could have been so embarrassing for the tory party. 84 of their MPs (is that nearly 25% of them?) voted for a leader who couldn't hack it. Even a half decent leader of the opposition should be having a ball with that but once again, he's nowhere to be seen.

And don't try telling me he's got a lot on his plate today yada yada yada. How long does it take to get your team to write a press release or even a tweet? Either do your fucking job, Corbyn or let someone else do it.

GingerIvy · 11/07/2016 15:36

And now Vince Cable steps in for a word...

news.sky.com/story/cable-casts-doubt-on-may8217s-pay-shake-up-10498751?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

BigChocFrenzy · 11/07/2016 15:37

Neil Hamilton = UKIP controlled by Arron Banks via brown envelopes.
Loathsome's new job to fit her abilities = cleaning skidmarks from No. 10 loos

Labour turkeys demanding an early Christmas / GE

ICM/Guardian
CON 38 (+2) + I bet May gives them a big boost
LAB 30 (-2)UKIP 15 (=)
LD 8 (+1)
GRN 4 (-1)
SNP 5 (=)

May said she planned no GE until 2020.
However, Labour & Liberal demands have given her an opening to say she wants a fresh mandate from the country.

Remember: the current Tory majority of only 12 could disappear if the legal challenges over 2015 GE expenses are upheld.

Likely result of GE:
Thumping Tory majority
with a weak and split HoC Opposition

Labour would lose loads of seats to Tories & Liberals, also some to UKIP
BUT better chance to defeat UKIP & Banks sooner than later - UKIP still only 15% in the polls and the UKIP organisation on the ground is currently not fit to mount a serious GE breakthrough.

RedToothBrush · 11/07/2016 15:37

Oh the leave voter are going to be a problem. Much more so than remain.

Most had a particular fixed idea in their heads about 'Leave' was, because the leave campaign strategy was designed to empower them and make them form their own ideas in the absence of a formal plan.

Remain voters on the whole were under no such illusion. They are unhappy with the result, but do not have a fixed idea of what Brexit will be.

Changing fixed ideas and beliefs is much, much harder than it will be to get people already denied their first choice, to accept a next least worse option under the circumstances.

This fight is NOT over. Not by a long shot.

We have got rid of the nihilist approach to Brexit which is great, now we have to charm the pants off the EU.

For this reason, if I were May, I would controversially not have Johnson, Gove or Leadsom anywhere near the Brexit Team. They were all very widely criticised over their outright lies by the European Parliament as they were the face of it. There are lots of other Brexiteers she could have instead.

I think she is perhaps this type of politician. She will produce some shocks when she announces her cabinet, I'm sure.

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