The Westministenders / Media Baron Hunger Games continues. Who is trying to outmanoeuvre who?

[RedToothBrush]

Don't worry we've all lost track.

In the Blue Corner
It started out with Cameron and Osborne trying to win the battle of the Tories, but they got stung in a UK wide vote. Some of us thought it was about the 'EU'. Instead it has turned out it was an internal Tory Bitch fight between some old Oxford and Eton mates, whilst for others a protest vote at being disenfranchised.
Gove and Johnson stabbed Cameron & Osborne in the back to run for Team Leave. Then they won when they didn't expect to. And there was no Plan. Uh Oh. Then it all started to go really wrong.
Cameron quit in disgust. Johnson went all President Churchill, before he also got stabbed by Gove (possibly with the assistance of the dark influence of Osborne).
We now have a Tory Smackdown with the shadowy influence of the Media Barons in the background.

#Team Gove has been doing their best with the knives. This is a mission to stab as many Tory MPs in the back as possible in order to become PM. Sponsored and supported by Murdoch

#Team Leadsom has been selling more unicorns and trying to pretend her CV and tax return are completely transparent. Think positive and the economy will be just fine. She is the homeopathy of politics. Sponsored and supported by Arron Banks, Leave.eu, UKIP and Britain First.

#Team May has been threatening to deport everyone if the EU don't play nice. Sponsored and supported by The Daily Mail's Dacre

In The Purple Corner
Tragically, it appears that not only do UKIP have a Plan A, they also have outwitted everyone by having Plan B. Yes that’s right TWO plans.
Farage has swanned off –sacked—for a life on CBB so they are looking for a new leader.
The potential candidates are all equally loathsome. They include Arron Banks himself, a suspended member of the party and several other people with an uncanny ability to put their foot in their mouths.
If this wasn't horrible enough, Team Leadsom is increasingly starting to look like a UKIP take over bid of the Conservative Party, which might be a neat way of avoiding a leadership battle of their own considering the quality of the candidates on offer.

In short, its a bit like a Bad Dystopian Movie that invokes Godwin, set in 2016 Westminster. Except its real.
In the Red Corner
Meanwhile the WMD has finally gone off in the Labour Camp, as Chilcot has been published. However the Chicken Coup rattles on regardless.

Corbyn is STILL clinging on, putting in a good claim for the Westminster 'Charlie off Casualty' Award. He has however had his Big Moment in the Commons. Which was a bit of a let down really. ...

The Unions have been trying to talk some sense into everyone. Meanwhile everyone else is has given up and are now just praying for a ruddy miracle to end this torture and give the country an opposition party.

Angela Eagle is still outside for the 5th day in a row, going "I will stand. Soon. If he doesn't quit" The BBC now qualify for a discount deal at the local Travel Lodge.

We FINALLY know who the fuck Owen Smith is! He's a Welsh MP and sounds like he's not completely away with the political fairies.

George Galloway appears to be trying to make a late bid to be included on the ballot paper for any leadership election.
Bliar's cried. We didn't. Chilcot took over 2 million words to tell us everything we already knew. As well as the fact that Mi6 like Nicholas Cage a lot.

The Cult of Momentum are still worshiping their Dear Leader by sending death threats to PR companies they suspect of disloyalty. Somehow they still manage not to get the title of the most vile pressure group in the UK.

And I suppose I should ask, when will a50 be triggered....? And by whom?

All these questions and more.
Tin foil hats now available upon request

Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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girl - unicorns can't be expected to do everything we've already asked them to create us an economy based on something other than financial services and their access to the single market, and persuade every European leader to give us exactly what we ask for whilst giving up nothing in exchange, and make a roast dinner everyday. I think fixing Labour's problems is going to require the intervention of a mythical superhero, not a hardworking unicorn!!

I follow for info as well but some feel too poisonous for even that. Got rid of Louise Mensch. Am not going to follow Arron Banks or Icky Griffin

New Statesman had it right about UKIP:
"They attract people who failed at everything else in life and are bitter about it"

Oh FFS, are they TRYING to make her look appealing???

The Times of London ‏@thetimes 20s21 seconds ago
MPs warn: A #Leadsom victory ‘would trigger a general election’ thetim.es/29pbuHk

Talking about the need for an effective opposition: now you know what we in Scotland have been feeling for the past 9 years! ......and I say that as an SNP supporter

Any government (of any colour) - along with the electorate - deserves and needs an effective opposition to hold it to account. Otherwise we end up with a governmental dictatorship - albeit a democratic one

Since Leadsome plans to bring back foxhunting "to improve animal welfare" what does she plan to bring back to improve the welfare of the poorest and most vulnerable ?

Since Leadsome plans to bring back foxhunting "to improve animal welfare" what does she plan to bring back to improve the welfare of the poorest and most vulnerable ?

She's going to petition to have the poor and vulnerable renamed "fox".

Ginger - it is not beyond the realms of possibility that the savvier MPs have noticed that Labour are still sitting around threatening to depose their leader, without actually having done so, whilst the Tory party have effectively killed off one PM, two PM-wannabes, Michael Gove, and sorted out a comprehensive leadership contest. I suspect their are of the opinion that there is unlikely to be a better time than this autumn to have a GE, which could also serve to reverse the referendum debate, as Ukip don't currently have a leader, and I don't think they would be able to field a decent choice of candidates to make enough impact.

Since Leadsome plans to bring back foxhunting "to improve animal welfare" what does she plan to bring back to improve the welfare of the poorest and most vulnerable ?

Whilst I prefer Ginger's answer I suspect the reality will be grammar schools.

The Times of London ‏@thetimes 20s21 seconds ago
MPs warn: A #Leadsom victory ‘would trigger a general election’

Well that seems to confirm what I feared was the case.
Scary.

Sarah Wollaston MP ‏@sarahwollaston 3h3 hours ago
In truth @andrealeadsom better suited to obscurity than high office

I wish Sarah Wollaston would leave the tories

Ginger - it is not beyond the realms of possibility that the savvier MPs have noticed that Labour are still sitting around threatening to depose their leader, without actually having done so, whilst the Tory party have effectively killed off one PM, two PM-wannabes, Michael Gove, and sorted out a comprehensive leadership contest. I suspect their are of the opinion that there is unlikely to be a better time than this autumn to have a GE, which could also serve to reverse the referendum debate, as Ukip don't currently have a leader, and I don't think they would be able to field a decent choice of candidates to make enough impact.

Tim Farron. Your hour has come. Step forward and save the county.
No pressure mate

If the membership voted in AL, could the MPs (who are mostly in favour of TM) actually oust her?

ITV News ‏@itvnews 57s58 seconds ago
Angela Eagle to announce bid for leadership of Labour Party on Monday morning www.itv.com/news/2016-07-09/angela-eagle-labour-leadership-bid/ …

hahahahhaahahahahahahahaahahahha

on MONDAY......

By the way, someone has set up a bunch of fake Loathsome websites which redirect to Stonewall, Labour and a random sampling of her more out there statements!

If the membership voted in AL, could the MPs (who are mostly in favour of TM) actually oust her?

I don't think so, only challenge her and hope she doesn't get enough support to make the final two (The Boles Plan).

Ginger, yes.

1922 committee need 50 signatures to trigger a vote of no confidence in the leader.

If she didn't go, she would face a vote of no confidence in the government in the commons. This requires a majority of MP votes (cross party).

If the no confidence won, it triggers a GE.

Would also effectively happen if she tried to push through something the Tory MPs objected to in large numbers. (Potentially like a50 in September before she has a exit plan in place).

That's why they are saying that Leadsom would spark a GE. Its a very very real possibility. The MPs all thinks she as nuts as most of us do. Which at least is a bit reassuring.

But you don't know what you'd get instead. It could be worse!

It would be political chaos though. Owen Smith could be the next but one PM yet!

Well, can one of AL's unicorns please give Owen Smith a jab please and get him moving to announce challenge prior to Monday???? Then AE would have to step down, so as not to split the vote.

See? Always thinking, me....

I don't think so, only challenge her and hope she doesn't get enough support to make the final two (The Boles Plan).

This is incorrect. A leadership race like this would only happen if she resigned or agreed to a leadership challenge. If she refused - which is highly likely as she'd only just elected, then the government would collapse (and potentially the party with it).

I'm watching Cameron doing a press conference at the NATO summit.
Love him or loathe him who can you imagine doing the same out of the frankly pathetic set of politicians from all sides we have now.

"Infamy...infamy! they've all got it in fer me"

Bllody hell, I'm reading the BBC report on that interview:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36752865

"But genuinely I feel being a mum means you have a very real stake in the future of our country, a tangible stake.
She possibly has nieces, nephews, lots of people, but I have children, who are going to have children, who will directly be a part of what happens next.
^^
So it really keeps you focused on 'what are you really saying?'.
Because what it means is you don't want a downturn but 'never mind, let's look ahead to the ten years', hence it will all be fine.
My children will be starting their lives in that next ten years so I have a real stake in the next year, the next two."

So we'd have Labour AND Tory parties without a leader. Oh the joy.

Ah, sorry Red, I'm getting mixed up, and not concentrating properly, because the F1 is on now, too!

May is definitely more rightwing than Cameron
However, she is at least as competent AND doesn't have the careless Bullingdon habit of high stakes gambling for fun, or of trashing the joint and leaving the lower orders to clean up the mess.

For heaven's sake, can someone also wake up the LibDems? It's like they're all so busy doing rehearsals, they've forgotten about the SHOW!