Nigel farage has resigned as ukip leader

[MsKite]

According to the FT on Twitter 😳

The Daily Mash has called it

www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/farage-to-design-posters-for-trump-campaign-20160704110207

Dear god what a mess this all is. Surely now the leave voters must realise they were sold a pup?

The Leave voters were sold a whole basketful of pups of many different breeds.

'For all your tall about The Establishment, claig, without them, we'd be at the mercy of one extreme group on power after another.'

No we wouldn't. There will always be an Establishment, what the peope need is an Establishment that is democratically accountable to the people and where the people have a right to have a say in their sovereignty being handed over to an unaccounatble body, which is what has happened.

If the Establishment do not "respect the will of the British people" as all the banks and global businesses have said they will, then as Conservative MP, Owen Paterson, says "it will discredit our entire political system" because the people have spoken.

What we need is more democracy, proportional representation and more parties in order to reflect the real will of the people so that the metropolitan elite and Establishment cannot ride roughshod over the people.

Absolutely. Murdoch was lukewarm to Trump and was weighing his options to oppose him, but Trump won and Trump calls the shots and Murdoch will have to go along None of that makes any sense. Trump hasn't won anything. The figures are for Hillary. I hate them both with a passion mind.

I'd agree with you on PR - if we'd had that in the past, the centre could have flourished. Sure, we'd have coalitions (they can work well), and there would be a few MPs on either extreme but that would be better than the current situation where the vast middle ground has to vote tactically for the least worst option in their constituency.

Trump won the Republican nomination against the other Republican contenders, although even that is not yet won and the Establishment is plotting and conspiring against Trump to possibly change the rules 6 days before the Republican Convention in order to deny him the nomination.

Trump tweeted critical things about Murdoch organisations and Murdoch tweeted back "calm down", and tweeted that if he were running a conspiracy against Trump, he was doing a bad job.

Murdoch probably feels that there is now no alternative to Trump and has tweeted that he is better than Hillary.

The polls are not accurate just as our Establishment polls telling us that Remain was 10 points in the lead the day before the referendum were not accurate. The Establishment uses spin to fool the people.

The BREXIT ship is sinking faster than I hoped for.

I'm pretty sure he won't join the tories or run for pm. He's far too lazy. No one can work with him, either. He just likes to stand in front of a camera. It's all about himself.

'I'd agree with you on PR'

Absolutely. We are governed by people who do not represent the vast majority of the people. We have a metropolitan elite clique of chums and cronies who use Project Fear etc in order to promote the policies that the business lobbies want. Brexit was the biggest revolution in world politics for decades because it was teh first time the people defied the ruling elite and it shows that the bigwigs have refused to listen to the people.

Only a real multiparty system with PR voting can adequately reflect the wishes of the people and that will be good fr our society so that none of us feel disenfranchised any more and so that the "political class" represents the real wishes of the people.

If Farage had the slightest degree of honesty, he would step down as MEP. But he can't resist the lure of easy money.

Only a real multiparty system with PR voting can adequately reflect the wishes of the people and that will be good fr our society so that none of us feel disenfranchised any more and so that the "political class" represents the real wishes of the people I agree but I suspect you want a raft of loathsome UKIPers elected.

i think im more worried by the power and influence an unelected Australian bloke appears to wield over UK politics. Whats it got to do with him!

Funny how I don't see the DM calling for PR and for helping out 'the people' who voted to leave the EU. It's not exactly been a paper fighting for people's rights and to help them improve, has it?

Good

He is the UKIP party without him they will not be as popular. He would have only gone on to cause problems which is what he likes to do as he wouldn't be part of any talks

But I wouldn't be surprised if he returns as the party need him

' I suspect you want a raft of loathsome UKIPers elected.'

The only loathsome views I can see on this thread are yours where you imply that the 4 million UKIP voters are "loathsome" because they disagreed with the 8 million Labour voters.

I am for PR voting where the people can choose to vote for whichever party they think makes most sense.

"i think im more worried by the power and influence an unelected Australian bloke appears to wield over UK politics. Whats it got to do with him!"

It is not just him, what about the hedge fund managers and Ukrainian billionaires and City firms that fund the Conservative party of "career politicians"?

' I don't see the DM calling for PR and for helping out 'the people' who voted to leave the EU. It's not exactly been a paper fighting for people's rights and to help them improve, has it?'

I agree. The DM, like all other papers, has its own interests. It is backing the Establishment on this one in backing Theresa May.

4 million UKIP voters are "loathsome" No they are not.

The DM, like all other papers, has its own interests. It is backing the Establishment on this one in backing Theresa May.

Interesting. In what ways is she more "establishment" than the other candidates?

The vast majority of those loathsome voters were labour voters

They felt ignored by the party and UKIP went after them and will continue to do so intil labour get their act together and listen to the concerns of everyone

The DM, like all other papers, has its own interests. It is backing the Establishment on this one in backing Theresa May

I thought the DM was the people''s paper? Isn't that the line you've been telling people for years on here?

The vast majority of those loathsome voters were labour voters

They felt ignored by the party and UKIP went after them and will continue to do so intil labour get their act together and listen to the concerns of everyone I totally agree. The voters are not loathsome. They turned to UKIP because their voice was unheard.

'Interesting. In what ways is she more "establishment" than the other candidates?'

Because she was Remain and is clearly the candidate that the Establishment is hoping for as can be seen by watching BBC and seeing how they were promoting the Establishment message that maybe there didn't need to be an election at all and all other candidates could drop out if enough MPs backed her.

The Establishment has its favourites, who are more inline with their thinking. On the Labour side, it is people like Umunna and Benn rather than Corbyn and on the Conservative side it is Theresa May rather than Leadsom and Gove.

Did anyone see this worrying portent a few days ago. I fear Farage may return...

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/29/leave-donor-plans-new-party-to-replace-ukip-without-farage

'I thought the DM was the people''s paper?'

Most of the time it is, but for issues that are very important to the Establishment, they often follow the Establishment line.