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Brexit

Petition to use article 50 immediately- do you agree?

137 replies

BritBrit · 02/07/2016 17:18

Should we invoke article 50 immediately & begin our 2 year Brexit negotiation?

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/133618

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LineyReborn · 03/07/2016 22:13

Christ this kind of OP is what got us into this mess.

LittlePickleHead · 03/07/2016 22:14

Yes I read an article saying as much. Although there are apparently only 200 negotiators in the world who are suitably qualified?!

Its sounding like the thing that could screw us over is the 2 year deadline - we MUST ensure that whoever presses the button does so when we are ready to get the best deal. Promising to do it straight away because some leavers are twitchy is so irresponsible

whydidhesaythat · 03/07/2016 22:15

No, lack of opposition to an idea that hindsight shows to be bonkers got us into this mess I think
We nearly all slept walked into it.

Spinflight · 03/07/2016 22:17

"homeriliad anyone who mentioned sovereignty during the referendum campaign got the sharp end of my 'George Soros/Black Wednesday' lesson from history"

It is an interesting footnote to history but one which I feel is now purely historical in nature...

The vast majority of trading is now done by computers working from complex algorithms, they have no sentiment and know nothing of Brexit or panic.

Hence what we saw a week ago finally proved that not only can you not buck the market, you also cannot manipulate it.

Whilst unknown organisations had placed massive amounts of money on a remain win the algorithm traders made a killing at their expense. Someone lost an awful lot of money, far too much for it to be private investors.

Hence the George Soros and his mates crashing the economy scenario arguably, and now I think provably, cannot happen. The markets recovered rapidly and merely hoovered up the cheap equities. Indeed they are still doing so.

If you ever meet one of the computer programmers who write trading algorithms in the city then I'd suggest buying them a pint. Not that they can't afford one themselves but their role was almost Churchillian in nature.

Jodiebee1986 · 03/07/2016 22:29

Yes, it's what the ppl voted for. Pm or not... It's 2 years of negotiations b4 anything happens. I'm dreading a GE & manifestoes saying they won't invoke article 50 Hmm

LittlePickleHead · 03/07/2016 22:31

Jodiebee have you read the messages saying we have not even got a suitable team of negotiators ready and starting from scratch negotiating deals will takes years and years - why would you want to start the process before we are ready? Serious question

TheElementsSong · 03/07/2016 22:49

500 trained trade negotiators to do the exit negotiations with the EU

You're quite right Beaky, but if Article 50 had been invoked by Cameron on Friday as Leave voters had wanted (or expected, or something), we'd still be lacking 480 negotiators. So one could argue that by resigning instead, he bought us some time to lay our hands on a few more negotiators, perhaps by asking on Facebook Grin.

The sad part is that business, investment and people won't be waiting for umpty-um months/years for the UK to get its act together.

ErrolTheDragon · 03/07/2016 22:53

ITA that we should wait till we've got a functioning government and oppositionGrin

ErrolTheDragon · 03/07/2016 23:00

Sorry, posted too soon... Sugarplums excellent suggestion would give us a good few years to sort out what we need to do, because the Labour Party will probably take 2 or 3 parliamentary terms to resolve the current infighting and regroup, by which time chances are the Tories will be entirely disfunctional...

bakeoffcake · 03/07/2016 23:03

A top lawyer firm has warned the government that they can not invoke Article 50 without an act of Parliament. So it isn't going to happen anytime soon.

I'll try to find a link.

Motheroffourdragons · 03/07/2016 23:05

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Spinflight · 03/07/2016 23:09

Maybe it is my ears but didn't Blair et al witter on incessantly about uncertainty being a bad thing?

What per chance do they think they are now doing by trying to undo the democratic will of the people?

TwoWeeksInCyprus · 03/07/2016 23:12

One of the many things I can't get my head around, is that David Cameron said he would invoke Article 50 immediately in the event of a Leave win, when both he and Boris Johnson knew full well that there was no plan in place.

JassyRadlett · 03/07/2016 23:19

Call me old-fashioned, but I've always thought it a good idea to have a leadership team and a negotiating strategy before launching a negotiation - particularly a time-limited one where the cards are intentionally stacked against us, as in this case.

By then I'm not a devotee of 'creative destruction'. I didn't agree with the referendum result but as it's going to happen I'd like to see the best deal possible achieved. Jumping in without thinking to stay the nerves of some excitable Brexiteers seems foolhardy.

bakeoffcake · 03/07/2016 23:26

Exactly Jassy

Leaving the EU is extremely complex, no one has done it before and neither side knows what the heck to do next. It's not as if we can just send a letter giving a months notice.

Motheroffourdragons · 04/07/2016 10:02

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bakeoffcake · 04/07/2016 10:31

"Currently we look like blundering fools"

I would argue that we ARE blundering fools. No one knows what the fuck they are doing. Thankfully Cameron has given us a few months to hopefully sort ourselves out.

It really would be lunacy to "get going" when we don't have a flipping clue.

bakeoffcake · 04/07/2016 10:32

And I do agree that "someone should have thought" about all this BEFORE the vote. But neither side has. So we need to pause.

Motheroffourdragons · 04/07/2016 10:34

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ShelaghTurner · 04/07/2016 10:37

No. Absolutely not. Everyone at the top has demonstrated by their behaviour what an enormous fuck up the whole thing is. We're up shit creek and we're an international laughing stock. We need to salvage what we can not continue with this ludicrous situation.

dotdotdotmustdash · 04/07/2016 11:13

We are blundering fools, and the rest of the world can quite clearly see that. We would look even more foolish if we started the process to leave while we're without an organised government.

Can't we just put up an 'out for lunch' sign on the UK?. We should ask the world to ignore our internal nonsense for a while until we're ready to put forward something that sounds sensible.

Motheroffourdragons · 04/07/2016 12:03

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TwoWeeksInCyprus · 04/07/2016 12:11

"Waiting" 3 months will not help, but spending 3 months making a coherent plan about the desired outcome would most definitely help.

Motheroffourdragons · 04/07/2016 12:18

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TwoWeeksInCyprus · 04/07/2016 12:32

"Not having a plan" plus "nobody in charge" - it would be crazy to start negotiations now.