Petition to use article 50 immediately- do you agree?

[BritBrit]

Should we invoke article 50 immediately & begin our 2 year Brexit negotiation?

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/133618

Not another referendum - we live in a parliamentary democracy so it now has to be up to our elected representatives to move forward from here. In some ways, I feel there should be a GE so there is a proper mandate, but apart from the time that would take, it might be a hung parliament with the SNP tail wagging the dog - that really wouldn't be right.

Staggered at the numpties who think we should leap off the cliff into the unknown with no plan and no direction like a bunch of fucking lemmings.

Nice British lemmings, with sovereignty, obviously.

M4D you don't need to answer this if you don't want to, but which type of Brexit do you want to see?

Staggered at the numpties who think we should leap off the cliff into the unknown with no plan and no direction like a bunch of fucking lemmings

Staggered at the numpties that think having a plan would have had any effect on what's happening now (other than dividing the leavers before the vote)!

Staggered at the numpties that think remaining in the EU was a plan in itself when all we know is there is continued pressure for closet and closer integration so you weren't voting for things to remain the same but accepting unknown changes. Hardly a plan!

Staggered at the numpties who think that those who voted to remain somehow don't have a say in what comes next just because the vote was for leave. It's more important than ever to find the centre ground. I'm counting on these people to band with the moderate leavers to outnumber those with more extreme views and negotiate a pro-European deal whilst not having full membership.

"Staggered at the numpties who think we should leap off the cliff into the unknown with no plan and no direction like a bunch of fucking lemmings."

that already happened, didn't you see the ministry of silly walks cover cartoon?

It is a shambles all round, DC should have invoked it and then resigned as he said he would but he wanted to cause as much pain as possible to Boris and Gove as a parting shot, I think. And look at the pair of them, an unholy alliance to begin with, how anyone could have trusted them is beyond me

That would have been disastrous - a 3 month period when the clock was ticking but no one had a mandate to negotiate.

I know we've already shot ourselves in the foot, but we don't need to take aim at the other one as well.

The consequences of voting NO are still not clear to many people. To trigger Article 50, without a clear idea of what the exit strategies are, and their implications, within a 2-year timetable when there are no negotiators in place, no head of government and where the opposition parties are also in complete disarray, would be insane. We're in until we're out. The hypocrisy of the leave campaign and particularly Gisela Stuart, is staggering. What IS the point of complaining that the government should be giving assurances that protect EU citizens currently in Britain (and therefore in the rest of Europe - like me) that their rights are safe. Theresa May is saying she won't do that. Isn't she doing EXACTLY what was on the tin? She's 'taking back control'?

To trigger Article 50 have a referendum,without a clear idea of what the exit strategies are, and their implications, within a 2-year timetable when there are no negotiators in place, no head of government and where the opposition parties are also in complete disarray, would be was insane

Staggered at the numpties that think having a plan would have had any effect on what's happening now (other than dividing the leavers before the vote)!

Dividing the leavers before the vote would have lost them the referendum.

I'd like to see article 50 talked out of existence, delayed, filibustered, set up a Royal Commission to report in 50 years, debate it endlessly etc until theer is enough 'distance' to have another ref. say in 200 years and vote the sane way that time.

But don't you think we deserve all we get now? I certainly do. The people who voted for this need to sort it out.

No, I think a lot of the people who voted for this feel disenfranchised and angry. The Ashcroft polling was stark - those with a significant stake in the economy (people with mortgages, private renters, people in employment) were much more likely to vote Remain. Those who have little to lose from short1term economic pain - either because they are scraping by on low-paying jobs in areas where the economy never recovered, or because they are long-term unemployed, or because they are retired, or because they own their homes outright - were more likely to vote leave.

Saying 'fuck them, they can take more pain and they deserve it' is pretty awful. They're angry because they feel the political system isn't working for them. A giant 'you deserve pain' from the political system can only make things worse.

I'm an immigrant and a remainer. I have the resources to weather whatever storm may be coming - I am very privileged. But I don't think screwing those who don't share that privilege is the right policy response, I think we al have a duty to work for the best possible result.

The only answer is to move quickly, and DC has let us all down there

I think we will have to agree to disagree - I think the fuckwittery would only be increased by chucking away an eighth of our negotiating time unnecessarily. EU governments have accepted that there is no mandate to negotiate until there is a new PM and a short pause will not hurt us.

We look like fools no matter what we do now. Our focus must be on securing the best possible result.

I think we need to agree EEA and accept free movement (for now). Free movement will be back on the table in the next year or so as more far right parties gain ground in the richer EU countries and the EU is forced to look at its stance on this. It was never going to end well when there is such economic disparity in the various states.

Isn't looking at free movement actually top of the EU agenda at the moment? Could have sworn it was a key issue in most of the continent...Switzerland (not in the EU) had a referendum related to immigration in 2014 (still attempting to negotiate a trade deal with the EU….) and Hungary (in the EU) has just announced a referendum.

I'd rather look like a fool now than a bigger fool later.

I agree M4D - it's all hideous.

Find myself nodding in agreement to all your posts Jassyradlet.